RE: Top Motoring Twits, er Tips: IPSGA
Friday 5th August 2011
Don't try this at home, etc."Bends catch a lot of people out, and are especially prevalent on rural roads - the worst for accidents. But by following the straightforward IPSGA routine, you'll get through corners safely, comfortably and more quickly."
Top Motoring Twits, er Tips: IPSGA
The great I AM gives it to you straight. About corners.
Don't try this at home, etc.
This thoughtful and provoking message has been telegraphed from the Institute of Advanced Motorists, or at least its head of training Simon Elstow in a press release.
God knows what sort of numpties he has to deal with on a daily basis, but this is classic stuff. It's the Institute's model for getting you through bends 'as smoothly as possible', and there's more to come as Simon is promising weekly motoring tips. We look forward to sharing...
- Information. What's going on around you? Check your mirrors to work out the movements of other road users, and signal before changing course. If there is a lot of traffic or someone is following close behind do this as early as possible.
- Position. After confirming it's safe, take the best position for dealing with the bend. On a left-hand bend move closer to the centre line and on a right-hand bend closer to the kerb. This will improve your view around the corner.
- Speed. Adjust your speed to prepare for the corner.
- Gears. Once you're at the right speed, select the right gear. Adjust your speed early so that you have time to separate changing speed from changing gear.
- Accelerate. Once you can see through the bend, accelerate smoothly if it is safe, bearing in mind the road conditions. Gently accelerating through a corner balances the car. (See pic - Ed.)
Bless!
Discussion
IPSGA? :Rolleyes:
Reminds me of this
http://youtu.be/08BqaSuEE_w
HUAUKK. That is all...
(Edited to make sense)
Reminds me of this
http://youtu.be/08BqaSuEE_w
HUAUKK. That is all...
(Edited to make sense)
Edited by Riggers on Thursday 4th August 16:53
ive only been driving a year and a bit but i knew that stuff before i started to learn!
edit: what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qdhbkTko4&fea...
edit: what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qdhbkTko4&fea...
Edited by C2james on Thursday 4th August 16:56
I think the outline of IPSGA given above is grossly over-simplified, perhaps for a wider target audience, and sadly means it's likely to bring as much derision as would likely be achieved by quoting the roadcraft book in more detail. There's not even a mention of limit point, IMO by far and away the most useful tool for considering bends. Too little detail, and they look like they're teaching you to suck eggs. Too much, and they appear obstinate and finicky, or just plain dull. I appreciate the tongue-in-cheek approach, the IAM aren't really helping themselves these days.
IAM has always taken a very strange position in the world of motoring - they have an elitist attitude to almost everything and produce almost nothing as a result.
They shun 'speed' or 'performance' as dangerous or, worse, uncouth!!
They emphasise awareness (important) but reward only your ability to vocalise your awareness (an odd idea to say the least). You could be the best driver on earth - but unless you can commentate on that, you're not. It's a bit like enjoying a book but demanding the author submit to extensive spelling and grammar tests before admitting it!!
I reckon the only reason people join is either
a - because they like passing tests and telling people they've done so
b - because they think there's an insurance discount awaiting!!
Could be worse tho - could be the ABD who are clearly all as mad as a box of frogs...
They shun 'speed' or 'performance' as dangerous or, worse, uncouth!!
They emphasise awareness (important) but reward only your ability to vocalise your awareness (an odd idea to say the least). You could be the best driver on earth - but unless you can commentate on that, you're not. It's a bit like enjoying a book but demanding the author submit to extensive spelling and grammar tests before admitting it!!
I reckon the only reason people join is either
a - because they like passing tests and telling people they've done so
b - because they think there's an insurance discount awaiting!!
Could be worse tho - could be the ABD who are clearly all as mad as a box of frogs...
For the 70+ Brigade
Information. What's going on around you? Don't even bother to look, all other road users have knowhere they need to be. Don't check your mirrors to work out the movements of other road users, and signal 25 minutes before changing course. If there is a lot of traffic or someone is following close behind it doesn't matter, you won't even notice.
Position. After confirming it's safe, slow down to a crawl to begin the tedeous process of dealing with the bend. On a left-hand bend drive on the centre line and on a right-hand mount the kerb. This will improve the chance of hitting something or someone.
Speed. Slow down, your Yaris will leave the road at over 4mph.
Gears. Stay in first, try reverse if you like. Don't adjust your speed early so that you have time to separate changing speed from changing gear.
Don't Accelerate. Once you can see through the bend, assume the worst and maintain 4mph, bearing in mind the road conditions and possible meteorites. Gently dordeling through a corner pisses the driver off of the car behind. (See his face - ME.)
Information. What's going on around you? Don't even bother to look, all other road users have knowhere they need to be. Don't check your mirrors to work out the movements of other road users, and signal 25 minutes before changing course. If there is a lot of traffic or someone is following close behind it doesn't matter, you won't even notice.
Position. After confirming it's safe, slow down to a crawl to begin the tedeous process of dealing with the bend. On a left-hand bend drive on the centre line and on a right-hand mount the kerb. This will improve the chance of hitting something or someone.
Speed. Slow down, your Yaris will leave the road at over 4mph.
Gears. Stay in first, try reverse if you like. Don't adjust your speed early so that you have time to separate changing speed from changing gear.
Don't Accelerate. Once you can see through the bend, assume the worst and maintain 4mph, bearing in mind the road conditions and possible meteorites. Gently dordeling through a corner pisses the driver off of the car behind. (See his face - ME.)
johnpeat said:
I reckon the only reason people join is either
a - because they like passing tests and telling people they've done so
b - because they think there's an insurance discount awaiting!!
I joined IAM for those very reasons! Well, my insurance is crazy cheap anyway so that wasn't an issue but I did feel I wanted a reward for being (in my eyes) and very good driver (and being able to rub the missus face in it) BUT when I took my first lesson, I appreciated there was far more to it that I ever expected. Though I didn't agree with all of it, I thought their approach to speed was like a breath of fresh air. They promoted driving at the speed limit and nothing under and the mantra was 'get wherever you want to go as quick as possible but whilst being safe'... a - because they like passing tests and telling people they've done so
b - because they think there's an insurance discount awaiting!!
BUT I never got much further than the first lesson so that was that!
johnpeat said:
Could be worse tho - could be the ABD who are clearly all as mad as a box of frogs...
i just went on their ste as i didnt know who they were, my god they are up themselves! demanding this and that, they are slightly BNP-esque but will never get anywhere so im just going to ignore them.7mike said:
C2james said:
ive only been driving a year and a bit but i knew that stuff before i started to learn!
If it's all that bleeding obvious then could you please let your peer group know before insurance costs go through the roof for the rest of us too.
t, you can easily learn to be a good driver all by yourself through experience. Wardy5 said:
C2james said:
i just went on their ste as i didnt know who they were, my god they are up themselves! demanding this and that, they are slightly BNP-esque but will never get anywhere so im just going to ignore them.
Their site also has a lovely 'designed circa 1995' feel to it....johnpeat said:
IAM has always taken a very strange position in the world of motoring - they have an elitist attitude to almost everything and produce almost nothing as a result.
They shun 'speed' or 'performance' as dangerous or, worse, uncouth!!
They emphasise awareness (important) but reward only your ability to vocalise your awareness (an odd idea to say the least). You could be the best driver on earth - but unless you can commentate on that, you're not. It's a bit like enjoying a book but demanding the author submit to extensive spelling and grammar tests before admitting it!!
I reckon the only reason people join is either
a - because they like passing tests and telling people they've done so
b - because they think there's an insurance discount awaiting!!
Could be worse tho - could be the ABD who are clearly all as mad as a box of frogs...
First I have to say that I am a member of IAM and I'd like to put across my feelings on this. It's a very public facing organisation and as such as to be seen to promote the 'right message'. During every IAM or Advanced Driving drive with an observer speed was never demonised, in fact I've always been encouraged to 'make progress'. I suppose it's difficult to defend the 'eliteist' comments, some people are, some people aren't, just like in any organisation you are going to get people at different ends of the spectrum.They shun 'speed' or 'performance' as dangerous or, worse, uncouth!!
They emphasise awareness (important) but reward only your ability to vocalise your awareness (an odd idea to say the least). You could be the best driver on earth - but unless you can commentate on that, you're not. It's a bit like enjoying a book but demanding the author submit to extensive spelling and grammar tests before admitting it!!
I reckon the only reason people join is either
a - because they like passing tests and telling people they've done so
b - because they think there's an insurance discount awaiting!!
Could be worse tho - could be the ABD who are clearly all as mad as a box of frogs...
Awareness and the vocalisation of it (commentary) is encouraged but you don't have to do it for your exam. To be able to give a flowing commentary, IMO, shows to the observer/passenger that you are observing hazards and what your mindset is. I feel it gives the other people an indication of the level at which you are driving. This doesn't make one a 'better' driver, it just communicates what's going on. It's obviously very difficult for me to determine whether you've seen a hazard and what action you might be thinking of taking.
For me, neither a) or b) were my reasons. I personally felt that I could improve as a driver (we all can, can't we?) and this was a structured way of doing so. For me I've learnt a great deal. I don't mind admitting that sometimes I don't ahere 100% to the teachings... I might even travel at 75mph on the motorway once in a while
I think it's a little harsh to vilify the IAM for trying to portray the 'correct' message. It can't well say 'travelling at 70mph is fine on a NSL single carriageway road if the conditions are good' as they're condoning an illegal act, however that's not to say that an 'Advanced Driver' (I'm using the term to describe IAM, ROSPA, etc) would never drive at 70mph on a single carriageway.
Finally, IPSGA message... yes it's obvious to us but we're all keen on our driving. I great deal of people get this wrong and this message may help some of them?
RichardR said:
C2james said:
i just went on their ste as i didnt know who they were, my god they are up themselves! demanding this and that, they are slightly BNP-esque but will never get anywhere so im just going to ignore them.
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