RE: New Diesel For Land Rover Defender...
Monday 15th August 2011
A smaller, cleaner diesel will see the venerable Land Rover Defender through to retirement, with a 2.2-litre turbodiesel replacing the old Transit-derived 2.4-litre turbodiesel.
Land Rover also says that the new engine will make driving the Defender a more refined, pleasant experience courtesy of a 'full acoustic engine cover' replacing the previous splash cover. This, reckons Land Rover, reduces radiated engine noise and improves driving refinement.
New Diesel For Land Rover Defender...
...and now it's got a 90mph top speed. Clearly life in the old dog yet...
So despite Jaguar Land Rover's plans to unveil a concept version of an all-new Defender at the Frankfurt show, JLR hasn't forgotten its venerable off-roader.
Despite the smaller capacity and reduced emissions, the new engine produces the same power (121bhp at 3500rpm) and torque (266lb ft at 2000rpm), as the outgoing 2.4-litre engine. It's faster, too; the top speed has been raised to 90mph compared with 82mph for the previous version, though acceleration remains similar (read: slow - Ed.). CO2 emissions remain at 266g/km for the 90 and 295g/km for the 110 and 130.
Thus, while we wait for the new Defender to come along (and for Land Rover to shave up to 500kg from a typical product over the next decade, according to JLR marketing chief, Phil Popham), we'll all still be able to enjoy the sexagenarian Landie for a little while yet. And at a higher speed. And in more comfort...
Discussion
article said:
replacing the old Transit-derived 2.4-litre turbodiesel.
It's a DOHC common rail diesel. I'd hardly call it "old".Is there anymore info on where the 2.2 comes from? Is it the same unit as used in the X-Type?
Also, 82mph was the electronic speed limit, a 2.4 TDCI Defender would do well over 90mph with it removed.
oilit said:
nah - ill keep my v8 powered one thanks.....
IIRC the engines over the years have gone as follows?:-
1.6
2.0
2.25
2.6
3.9/4.0
2.4
2.2
Almost, think its more:IIRC the engines over the years have gone as follows?:-
1.6
2.0
2.25
2.6
3.9/4.0
2.4
2.2
1.6P
2.0D
2.0P
2.25P & D
2.6P
3.5P
2.5P & D
4.0D
3.9P
2.8P
2.4D
2.2D
That's just the Series/Defender line.
Other LR displacements:
4.0P
4.2P
4.6P
2.7d
3.0d
3.6d
4.4P
5.0P
3.2P
Covering Inline 4, Inline 5, V6, S6 & V8. OHV, OHC, side valve (I think). n/a, turbo, indirect injection, direct injection, common rail, turbocharged, supercharged, carb, efi.
The 5 cylinder diesels were the best ones... sounded great, remapped up nicely, but still gave good economy.
Why you need MORE refinement in a Defender is beyond me. They are hardly designed to be a comfy car to start with. I've gone for hours and hours and been perfectly content in one.
Dave
Why you need MORE refinement in a Defender is beyond me. They are hardly designed to be a comfy car to start with. I've gone for hours and hours and been perfectly content in one.
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
The 5 cylinder diesels were the best ones... sounded great, remapped up nicely, but still gave good economy.
Why you need MORE refinement in a Defender is beyond me. They are hardly designed to be a comfy car to start with. I've gone for hours and hours and been perfectly content in one.
Dave
This change isn't for refinement, it's because they are no longer owned by Ford.Why you need MORE refinement in a Defender is beyond me. They are hardly designed to be a comfy car to start with. I've gone for hours and hours and been perfectly content in one.
Dave
I thnk this is the same 2.2 PSA-Ford derived diesel engine (DW12) that Jag are using in the XF.....its still built by Ford in the Dagenham engine plant.......I doubt very much that they are dealing direct with PSA.....the DW10 and DW12 series of engines are much better than the puma (2.4) series of transit engines......its a good move me thinks
My 15.5yr old Surf has marginally more bhp (probably not now after so many years) but considarably less torque and still does over a ton on foreign roads. It'll tow 2500Kgs with 600Kg on board and won't break down when you least need it to. Oh yeah, and it will go more or less anywhere the landy will.
My in-laws have a farm in the highlands of Scotland and have run LR's for many many years, however, over the last 10-15yrs all the LR's he's bought (and he swaps every 2-3 years) have been frought with engine/mechanical/electrical problems galore, and the quality of LR's main dealer service every time he goes for repairs or servicing has been absolutely terrible, putting it mildly.
Suffice to say he's now looking at the latest gen Toyota Hilux, and he can't wait to chop his landy in. About bloody time too!!
The only thing he said was that he feels guilty and regretful that after him, eventually, some poor unsuspecting sod is going to end up with his landy. Something he wouldn't wish on anyone!!
My in-laws have a farm in the highlands of Scotland and have run LR's for many many years, however, over the last 10-15yrs all the LR's he's bought (and he swaps every 2-3 years) have been frought with engine/mechanical/electrical problems galore, and the quality of LR's main dealer service every time he goes for repairs or servicing has been absolutely terrible, putting it mildly.
Suffice to say he's now looking at the latest gen Toyota Hilux, and he can't wait to chop his landy in. About bloody time too!!
The only thing he said was that he feels guilty and regretful that after him, eventually, some poor unsuspecting sod is going to end up with his landy. Something he wouldn't wish on anyone!!
I've always wondered how Land Rover can get away with still producing the defender...
I assume the current Defender is quite different from the original Land Rovers? If not, then how do they pass crash tests? It would be like someone still producing a Morris Oxford and selling it to the public with slightly more modern engine and brakes?
Or is it an entirely different vehicle with a Land Rover-alike body on it?
I assume the current Defender is quite different from the original Land Rovers? If not, then how do they pass crash tests? It would be like someone still producing a Morris Oxford and selling it to the public with slightly more modern engine and brakes?
Or is it an entirely different vehicle with a Land Rover-alike body on it?
MarJay said:
I've always wondered how Land Rover can get away with still producing the defender...
I assume the current Defender is quite different from the original Land Rovers? If not, then how do they pass crash tests? It would be like someone still producing a Morris Oxford and selling it to the public with slightly more modern engine and brakes?
Or is it an entirely different vehicle with a Land Rover-alike body on it?
I think I'm right in saying that they keep 'getting away with it' using legacy exemptions and such.I assume the current Defender is quite different from the original Land Rovers? If not, then how do they pass crash tests? It would be like someone still producing a Morris Oxford and selling it to the public with slightly more modern engine and brakes?
Or is it an entirely different vehicle with a Land Rover-alike body on it?
There certainly is little difference between an 80's Land Rover 90/110 and a modern Defender save the engine and dashboard. They gradually upgrade bits and bobs over the years but the chassis, body, suspension and general construction remain the same.
The old Series Land Rovers were a bit more different with leaf springs and slightly different wheelbase and proportions, but they are also fundamentally very similar in construction.
Mr Whippy said:
The 5 cylinder diesels were the best ones... sounded great, remapped up nicely, but still gave good economy.
Agree, 100%.We still have a 90 Td5 in the company and I love it. We have a newish (2010) 110, which is nice and is way better sound insulated (nice new dash too), but I don;t like the engine as much.
Still, only the Disco TDV6 could tow TVR Griffith on an Ifor Williams twin axle trailer at 90mph. I imagine.
MarJay said:
I've always wondered how Land Rover can get away with still producing the defender...
I assume the current Defender is quite different from the original Land Rovers? If not, then how do they pass crash tests? It would be like someone still producing a Morris Oxford and selling it to the public with slightly more modern engine and brakes?
Or is it an entirely different vehicle with a Land Rover-alike body on it?
Commercial vehicles only need to meet different safety regs. I think low volume models have exemption to some regulations too, e.g. TVR's never had ABS or airbags either.I assume the current Defender is quite different from the original Land Rovers? If not, then how do they pass crash tests? It would be like someone still producing a Morris Oxford and selling it to the public with slightly more modern engine and brakes?
Or is it an entirely different vehicle with a Land Rover-alike body on it?
That said, the Defender isn't permitted to be sold in American any longer and few other places.
As for design, yes the current Defender is almost identical to a 1983 Ninety/One Ten.
Which in turn is very similar to a Series Land Rover. Few components are exactly the same, but many are very similar and just of different specification rather than truly different parts.
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