RE: Radical: We Make Proper Road Cars Now
RE: Radical: We Make Proper Road Cars Now
Friday 19th August 2011

Radical: We Make Proper Road Cars Now

The new SR3 SL will soon have type approval, so how serious is Radical about cars with numberplates?



The new Radical SR3 SL road-legal track day car is a big deal for the Peterborough-based race and sports car company - it will be the only fully type-approved track day special on the market. So? Well, the 'so' is the fact that type-approval, especially with the painstaking rigorous standards of the latest Euro 5 regulations, is an exceptionally complex and expensive process.

To enter into such an endeavour is a measure of Radical's self-belief in its ability to get a 'grown-up' car company's job done; it's also a gamble that there exists a market large enough to recoup the development costs exists. In terms of reassurance that the idea wasn't complete lunacy, it must have come as some relief when Ford approached Radical with the offer of supplying its brand new and technically advanced 2.0-litre EcoBoost four-cylinder engine, complete with turbocharger, heaps of power and torque, and very low emissions.


Radical currently produces about 200 cars per year and expects the SL - which stands for Street Legal - to raise that figure to about 250 cars. That's quite a hike and pushes the company's existing factory facility close to full capacity; we were treated to a quick tour of the place, and it does seem very busy and bereft of spare space.

Our tour was Radical's way of showing off that it's now a 'proper' car maker, rather than a bunch of blokes in a shed in the east. The company is split into three divisions: Radical Sports Cars; Radical Precision Engineering, which fabricates chassis and components both for the mother ship and external clients such as Mosler and the MoD; and Radical Performance Engines, which supplies engines directly to Radical Sports Cars, and also tends to the needs of customers' cars.


Although Radical foresees road car sales accounting for a sizeable chunk of its business for the next 18 months to two years, racing remains at the heart of the company. Radical runs its own UK Cup and a European championship, but there are numerous other Radical one-make series throughout Europe, the Middle East, the USA, Australia and Mexico. While strolling through the final assembly hall we saw one car labelled for shipment to the US, while another couple were headed to India as part of a batch of 30 cars destined for an independent Indian series. Radical's boast of being a 'global' company seems to have substance.


The development of the SR3 SL was hustled along by Radical's MD, Phil Abbott, who explains that, "we were getting a lot of requests for a road-legal, type-approved car from our central- and eastern-European customers.

"So the SL has been born out of that demand and we see it as the future for the business; currently we seem to be the first company out there with a car type-approved to Euro 5 standards."



   

 

 

 

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WorAl

Original Poster:

10,877 posts

210 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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I thought Radical used big Yank V8's? confused

bakerstreet

4,994 posts

187 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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I really hope they manage to make this work.

I'll be honest and say I've never driven one, but its by far y favourite car on the XBox360-Pro Race game smile

Hope to buy myself an experience day with a Radical in the next year or so.

Gad-Westy

16,139 posts

235 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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WorAl said:
I thought Radical used big Yank V8's? confused
Usually bike engines or in the case of the SR8, two bike engines fused into one mental V8 (sort of). Not heard of a big yank V8 version.

bakerstreet

4,994 posts

187 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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WorAl said:
I thought Radical used big Yank V8's? confused
I think you are thinking of the Ultima GTR who do use big V8s.

If memory serves, the latest Radicals use the Kawasaki GTR 1400cc bike engine.

McSam

6,753 posts

197 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Excellent news, type approval is very very hard work and meeting Euro V in a car like that is awesome. That Ford engine is going to have a fantastic level of spares and support knocking around too. Good stuff smile

Pingman

406 posts

223 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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£?

WorAl

Original Poster:

10,877 posts

210 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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bakerstreet said:
WorAl said:
I thought Radical used big Yank V8's? confused
I think you are thinking of the Ultima GTR who do use big V8s.

If memory serves, the latest Radicals use the Kawasaki GTR 1400cc bike engine.
Ahh yes, that I was. Thanks.

Brother D

4,298 posts

198 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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WorAl said:
Ahh yes, that I was. Thanks.
Not the Ariel Atom 500 V8?

splitpin

2,740 posts

220 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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bakerstreet said:
WorAl said:
I thought Radical used big Yank V8's? confused
I think you are thinking of the Ultima GTR who do use big V8s.

If memory serves, the latest Radicals use the Kawasaki GTR 1400cc bike engine.
The base bike-based engine is the 'Busa 1340 (usually used in current PR6s & SR4s) and a stroked version, refered to as a '1500', but with an actual capacity of 1475cc (usually used in current SR3s).

There is then Radical's own V8, 2.7 litres, which over-simplistically utilises two 'Busa top ends mated in a Vee onto one crankshaft via much cleverness by Radical (usually used in SR8s).

Big congratulations to them on leading the way with the huge achievement of Type Approval with the new SL. I hope it is enormously succesful for them all around the globe (and I'm sure it will) clap

soad

34,300 posts

198 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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More sales, good for them!

Sivraj

256 posts

213 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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It looks like some lucky person is due to be picking up their new car in India as we type!...
Hope they enjoy it!....

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

220 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Good work guys, hope it's a success.

Stu R

21,423 posts

237 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Good on them, big fan of Radical.

nightSpirit

1,057 posts

190 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Got to say, I looked at a Clubsport a while back for track day fun (but wanted road legal also...something that just wasn't feasible), so I looked at the SR4, same story again, too expensive to do...which brought me to the SR3 which does appear in road legal form already.

I eventually gave up on the idea after chasing Radical for around 3 months, offering them money to convert a car I'd found for me and it seemed because I wasn't some rich tt in the middle east wanting an SR8 LM and a race team they really didn't give a st...so I scrapped the idea, well done Radical.

Taking a Radical and making it road legal compromises the whole point of the car (something I was happy to live with), it's totally impractical (much like the X-Bow and Atom) so they must have done their homework that they can sell these when other such cars already exist in limited numbers?

Good luck to them.

mikeg15

287 posts

222 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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If you want a roadgoing sports racer, Crossle cars have built two r/g 9Ss. I don't know if they would build more though.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

258 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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McSam said:
Excellent news, type approval is very very hard work and meeting Euro V in a car like that is awesome. That Ford engine is going to have a fantastic level of spares and support knocking around too. Good stuff smile
Can you imagine how unstressed this engine will be also? it gose from having to lug around a 1300kg Focus to something about half that weight! Lets also hope it leads to them being more on the roads! smile

bobberz

1,832 posts

221 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Didn't know they make the chassis for Mosler?

I love these things (there's a dealer right around the corner from me), but they're not road-legal in the US. I'm guessing this one won't be, either. frown

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

249 months

Saturday 20th August 2011
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Went to Cadwell Wednesday night to watch some British Superbike testing & the Radical lot (factory truck etc) were there with a couple of cars or so. Looked great & I decided "I would if I could" but still waiting for Lottery funds to come goodbiggrin: Sadly they'd finished their runs but somebody said they'd been lapping at 1m 18 which sounds bloody fast.

I heard they were there with some journos to give them a taste? Anybody from PH maybe?

splitpin

2,740 posts

220 months

Saturday 20th August 2011
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Good timing, couple of hours earlier and it would have been perfect.

Yep, as I understand it, the official press launch was indeed Cadwell on Wednesday.

Presumably the likes of PH & EVO etc were there and presumably we'll all be reading about it real soon; guess there's some sort of embargo until such and such time on such and such a day.

But as you wouldn't have signed it, got any 'sneak preview' pics? biggrin

PS Mighty strange lens used with that chassis pic: I think I recognise the culprit standing at the back, know he's a normal sized chap and that the lens used has made the chassis look way way way bigger than it actually is yes

Edited by splitpin on Saturday 20th August 11:19

GT3 APE

1,671 posts

203 months

Saturday 20th August 2011
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About time wink

Have always liked the Radicals but not the running costs associated with bike engines. Coming from an Ariel Atom where the engine was ultra reliable with minimal maintenance, just hope it can be the same in the Radical smile

Dave