Sorry, why should I pay road tax?
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Just been out in the rain changing a burst tyre. This occurred by me going through a pothole around Sefton Park, Liverpool, quite dark at this time of night.
My main problem is that I paid £140 for the tyre just under 2 months ago.
Also the road that I have burst this tyre on is 'unadopted.'
I guess a way for the council to wriggle out of having to pay compensation out to people who damage their cars on the roads that they're responsible for.
My £160, 12 months tax is due in January.
Why should I pay it?
My main problem is that I paid £140 for the tyre just under 2 months ago.
Also the road that I have burst this tyre on is 'unadopted.'
I guess a way for the council to wriggle out of having to pay compensation out to people who damage their cars on the roads that they're responsible for.
My £160, 12 months tax is due in January.
Why should I pay it?
I totally agree the roads in london get worse by the day, i have never known them to be so bad, but i think we all know that road tax has nothing to do with repairing roads it is just a part of the general taxation of this country.
It would be better to stop paying a proportion of your council tax as they are ultimatly responsible for the upkeep of local roads.Lobby local mps etc
It would be better to stop paying a proportion of your council tax as they are ultimatly responsible for the upkeep of local roads.Lobby local mps etc
Oh god we've still got this f
king boring tired 'its not Road Tax' argument. So boring now and the mindaching bhing over something which doesnt matter only forces people to get away from the thread and point in question. Who cares if its called road tax, car tax, Mr Bamboo Stalin Boogie Nights Levy etc its all the same thing at the end of the day.
The fact is the Government gets around £45billion-£50billion from motoring taxation, or around £800billion in 'general taxation' if you want to go down that route per year yet seemingly cannot spare the required amount to repair broken road surfaces effectively. Nobody sane would say the amount currently spent on roads is enough, even if motoring taxes were non existant. But because we have to appease the 'its not road tax' brigade we all still have to pay it but purposely have nothing spent on the road just so as they can make their point.
Very grown up. Everybody has to suffer just so as they can make the point that 'its not spent on roads'.
If the OP came on and said 'is it me or is not enough money going into repairing road surfaces properly' you'd probably agree with him, but instead its a skullfking bhache over 'road tax' again. Dear god.
king boring tired 'its not Road Tax' argument. So boring now and the mindaching bhing over something which doesnt matter only forces people to get away from the thread and point in question. Who cares if its called road tax, car tax, Mr Bamboo Stalin Boogie Nights Levy etc its all the same thing at the end of the day.The fact is the Government gets around £45billion-£50billion from motoring taxation, or around £800billion in 'general taxation' if you want to go down that route per year yet seemingly cannot spare the required amount to repair broken road surfaces effectively. Nobody sane would say the amount currently spent on roads is enough, even if motoring taxes were non existant. But because we have to appease the 'its not road tax' brigade we all still have to pay it but purposely have nothing spent on the road just so as they can make their point.
Very grown up. Everybody has to suffer just so as they can make the point that 'its not spent on roads'.
If the OP came on and said 'is it me or is not enough money going into repairing road surfaces properly' you'd probably agree with him, but instead its a skullf
king bhache over 'road tax' again. Dear god.The 'its not road tax' brigade constantly bang on about how it was abolished in 1937 because Churchill knew it'd lead to a 'sense of entitlement' etc, and if people dont know this by now then surely Churchill didnt do a very good job? Thats a side of this argument nobodies considered before. That if 74 years on, people do have a sense of entitlement and still refer to it as road tax then clearly his plan didnt work. Thats right out of the Gordon Brown handbook that one, put the tax up, change the name, give a speech and rhetoric about how it doesnt exist but still keep charging it anyway. Great plan!
The only way to ever really get rid of arguments like this is to actually abolish the tax entirely. Not the Churchill/Gordon Brown method of abolishing, which is to change the name but keep charging it, i mean proper abolishment. No guts no glory?
And considering most motoring outlets, WhatCar, Parkers, Autocar, all motoring magazines etc still refer to it as 'road tax' because its the commonly used term, whether cyclists like it or not, its easy to see why people still say it. Hardly anybody types 'VED' into google, thats why websites dont use the term in the headline. Ive always seen it as a tax you have to pay to take your car on the road = road tax. Done job. And people who say 'its not spent on roads!' well actually it kind of is. The Govt raised just over £6billion from road tax/cartax/VED last year and around £4.5billion was spent on the highways in one form or another. Now i would think by the time you take out the administration, bureaucracy, policing and enforcement costs out of the VED system that pretty much leaves £4.5b left. So it is spent on the roads, the problem is its not enough. Hope i helped
The only way to ever really get rid of arguments like this is to actually abolish the tax entirely. Not the Churchill/Gordon Brown method of abolishing, which is to change the name but keep charging it, i mean proper abolishment. No guts no glory?
And considering most motoring outlets, WhatCar, Parkers, Autocar, all motoring magazines etc still refer to it as 'road tax' because its the commonly used term, whether cyclists like it or not, its easy to see why people still say it. Hardly anybody types 'VED' into google, thats why websites dont use the term in the headline. Ive always seen it as a tax you have to pay to take your car on the road = road tax. Done job. And people who say 'its not spent on roads!' well actually it kind of is. The Govt raised just over £6billion from road tax/cartax/VED last year and around £4.5billion was spent on the highways in one form or another. Now i would think by the time you take out the administration, bureaucracy, policing and enforcement costs out of the VED system that pretty much leaves £4.5b left. So it is spent on the roads, the problem is its not enough. Hope i helped
Edited by martin84 on Sunday 21st August 02:30
I've just remembered I paid £7.50 tyre insurance when I had my tyres fitted.
Now there's an allowance they will pay, 100% if tread is 8mm and the percentage lowers the less tread the tyre has.
The only clause which they state Which may give them space to wriggle out of is ; The Guarantee is invalid if the tyre is removed or repaired by any other company or individual.
Now if I have put my spacesaver on the car and the punctured wheel in the boot does this void the t's and c's?
Now there's an allowance they will pay, 100% if tread is 8mm and the percentage lowers the less tread the tyre has.
The only clause which they state Which may give them space to wriggle out of is ; The Guarantee is invalid if the tyre is removed or repaired by any other company or individual.
Now if I have put my spacesaver on the car and the punctured wheel in the boot does this void the t's and c's?
martin84 said:
Oh god we've still got this fking boring tired 'its not Road Tax' argument. So boring now and the mindaching bhing over something which doesnt matter only forces people to get away from the thread and point in question. Who cares if its called road tax, car tax, Mr Bamboo Stalin Boogie Nights Levy etc its all the same thing at the end of the day.
The fact is the Government gets around £45billion-£50billion from motoring taxation, or around £800billion in 'general taxation' if you want to go down that route per year yet seemingly cannot spare the required amount to repair broken road surfaces effectively. Nobody sane would say the amount currently spent on roads is enough, even if motoring taxes were non existant. But because we have to appease the 'its not road tax' brigade we all still have to pay it but purposely have nothing spent on the road just so as they can make their point.
Very grown up. Everybody has to suffer just so as they can make the point that 'its not spent on roads'.
If the OP came on and said 'is it me or is not enough money going into repairing road surfaces properly' you'd probably agree with him, but instead its a skullfking bhache over 'road tax' again. Dear god.
Yep, when ever someone mentions road tax, this same pedantic crap comes up like it's trivia night at the local star trek club.king boring tired 'its not Road Tax' argument. So boring now and the mindaching bhing over something which doesnt matter only forces people to get away from the thread and point in question. Who cares if its called road tax, car tax, Mr Bamboo Stalin Boogie Nights Levy etc its all the same thing at the end of the day.The fact is the Government gets around £45billion-£50billion from motoring taxation, or around £800billion in 'general taxation' if you want to go down that route per year yet seemingly cannot spare the required amount to repair broken road surfaces effectively. Nobody sane would say the amount currently spent on roads is enough, even if motoring taxes were non existant. But because we have to appease the 'its not road tax' brigade we all still have to pay it but purposely have nothing spent on the road just so as they can make their point.
Very grown up. Everybody has to suffer just so as they can make the point that 'its not spent on roads'.
If the OP came on and said 'is it me or is not enough money going into repairing road surfaces properly' you'd probably agree with him, but instead its a skullf
king bhache over 'road tax' again. Dear god.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff