Red diesel whats the difference
Discussion
Willy Nilly said:
IIRC there is a difference between cherry and derv, but can't remember the specs. But that said, the fuel systems in tractors are just as sensitive to fuel as any car, they just use loads more of it. Obviously, don't use it on the road, but you knew that
So there might be a difference but if there is, you dont know what it is? thanks for the excellent post darling.
Have a "Google" for authorised uses of red diesel. As far as I remember it is significantly cheaper than normal diesel as it is intended for agricultural use in machines that do not use the public highway, or use it on a very limited basis. There have been lots of news items in the press over the years where DoT inspectors randomly stop and inspect vehicles to see if red diesel has been used in them and issue fines if the law has been broken. The dye in the red diesel is what the inspectors look for as it leaves traces in your fuel system after only one use.
If you are in the agriculture business you might be allowed to use it but I suggest you check first.
As mentioned above I believe the only difference is the red dye added as all diesel engines have multiple filters in the fuel system so it shouldn't be any different to normal diesel apart from the colour.
If you are in the agriculture business you might be allowed to use it but I suggest you check first.
As mentioned above I believe the only difference is the red dye added as all diesel engines have multiple filters in the fuel system so it shouldn't be any different to normal diesel apart from the colour.
Dirty Frank said:
Willy Nilly said:
IIRC there is a difference between cherry and derv, but can't remember the specs. But that said, the fuel systems in tractors are just as sensitive to fuel as any car, they just use loads more of it. Obviously, don't use it on the road, but you knew that
So there might be a difference but if there is, you dont know what it is? thanks for the excellent post darling.Grey Ghost said:
Have a "Google" for authorised uses of red diesel. As far as I remember it is significantly cheaper than normal diesel as it is intended for agricultural use in machines that do not use the public highway, or use it on a very limited basis. There have been lots of news items in the press over the years where DoT inspectors randomly stop and inspect vehicles to see if red diesel has been used in them and issue fines if the law has been broken. The dye in the red diesel is what the inspectors look for as it leaves traces in your fuel system after only one use.
If you are in the agriculture business you might be allowed to use it but I suggest you check first.
As mentioned above I believe the only difference is the red dye added as all diesel engines have multiple filters in the fuel system so it shouldn't be any different to normal diesel apart from the colour.
This is true, and for example tractors at ploughing matches aren't 'supposed' to use red diesel because technically it's not agriculture. But for what the OP is suggesting the car is never going to be checked and he could probably argue some kind of agricultural use. If you are in the agriculture business you might be allowed to use it but I suggest you check first.
As mentioned above I believe the only difference is the red dye added as all diesel engines have multiple filters in the fuel system so it shouldn't be any different to normal diesel apart from the colour.
Just remember once you have used red diesel it leaves detectable traces in the fuel system for the life of the car, so if you then put it back on the road and got pulled over it may still show up.
A buyer for a big cement manufacturer and distributor who buys it by the artic tanker load for both their road fleet and for the company's plant and stationary engines told me once the main difference other than colour (duh) is the sulphur content is much higher in red.
Anybody know why?
Anybody know why?
Jungian said:
A buyer for a big cement manufacturer and distributor who buys it by the artic tanker load for both their road fleet and for the company's plant and stationary engines told me once the main difference other than colour (duh) is the sulphur content is much higher in red.
Anybody know why?
This has now changed and sulphur content of red has been lowered inline with white (DERV). It's something to do with emissions, which have only recently become a legislative issue for off-road vehicles.Anybody know why?
The use of red diesel is really tight these days. It used to be the case that only more rural areas would have regular stop and dips but its increasing significantly in urban areas. The farming, forestry and arb industry are getting hit pretty hard and rules are being strictly enforced.
It the same as normal diesel but with a red dye in it which stains the fuel tank
You also pay a notable different rate of duty on it. Red is cheaper due to this.
If your caught using red diesel on the road.... That is tax fraud. Car crushed and they will assume since you owned the car it has used red diesel and then the miles covered will all require to be paid for on back dated duty.
You also pay a notable different rate of duty on it. Red is cheaper due to this.
If your caught using red diesel on the road.... That is tax fraud. Car crushed and they will assume since you owned the car it has used red diesel and then the miles covered will all require to be paid for on back dated duty.
busta said:
Just remember once you have used red diesel it leaves detectable traces in the fuel system for the life of the car, so if you then put it back on the road and got pulled over it may still show up.
So long as it's the pump DERV in the tank when you get pulled I don't think "traces" from previous use can be an offence. Welshbeef said:
It the same as normal diesel but with a red dye in it which stains the fuel tank
You also pay a notable different rate of duty on it. Red is cheaper due to this.
If your caught using red diesel on the road.... That is tax fraud. Car crushed and they will assume since you owned the car it has used red diesel and then the miles covered will all require to be paid for on back dated duty.
I assume that's just in England?You also pay a notable different rate of duty on it. Red is cheaper due to this.
If your caught using red diesel on the road.... That is tax fraud. Car crushed and they will assume since you owned the car it has used red diesel and then the miles covered will all require to be paid for on back dated duty.
Welshbeef said:
It the same as normal diesel but with a red dye in it which stains the fuel tank
You also pay a notable different rate of duty on it. Red is cheaper due to this.
If your caught using red diesel on the road.... That is tax fraud. Car crushed and they will assume since you owned the car it has used red diesel and then the miles covered will all require to be paid for on back dated duty.
If you own a vehicle that has had a few previous owners how can they prove it was you that used red diesel? You also pay a notable different rate of duty on it. Red is cheaper due to this.
If your caught using red diesel on the road.... That is tax fraud. Car crushed and they will assume since you owned the car it has used red diesel and then the miles covered will all require to be paid for on back dated duty.
busta said:
This has now changed and sulphur content of red has been lowered inline with white (DERV). It's something to do with emissions, which have only recently become a legislative issue for off-road vehicles.
Correct. Off road now have to make use of things like DPFs and DeNOx equipment. High sulphur content in fuel poisons most catalyst systems stopping them from working.(Selective Catalyst Reduction, Diesel Oxidation Cats, Catalysed DPF's, Fuel Borne Catalysts and Continuously Regenerating Systems... all use catalysts to set up conditions for DPF regeneration. Apart from SCR which is for getting rid of NOx)Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff