RE: Spotted: Ultima GTR
RE: Spotted: Ultima GTR
Friday 2nd September 2011

Spotted: Ultima GTR

For when really, really fast just isn't fast enough



Statistics can be misleading, but in the case of the Ultima GTR720 the 0-100-0 time paints a pretty clear picture. At 9.4 seconds the Bugatti Veyron and the Ferrari Enzo are 0.5 and 1.5 seconds slower respectively.

The car from Hinckley also boasts the following acceleration figures: o-60 in 2.6 seconds, 0-100 in 5.3, 30-70 in a disturbing 1.8, and 100-0 in 3.6. It's also covered the standing quarter mile in 9.9 seconds, has generated 1.176g on the skid-pad, and is even claimed to have lapped the Top Gear test track over six seconds faster than an Enzo. So in short they go like a buttered sow and slow down and grip somewhat better...


This one, sadly, isn't a GTR720, but with a claimed 550bhp on tap it should still provide borderline-hypercar performance for £70,000. It appeared in our classifieds recently and was originally advertised here on PH as an unfinished project (not for the first time, the builder ran out of funds...) with about 60% of the work done. PHer philcerb bought it and completed it, with a lot of help from LS Power, who also built a revised LS7 motor for the car.

The body was removed and the aluminium interior panelling was re-done. The originally intended Hewland gearbox was dropped in favour of a Porsche G50 (with a taller top ratio which has been calculated to be good for 204mph) with a heavy duty clutch, and AP Racing brakes were selected to bring the whole lot to a stop.


According to philcerb the result is that this 550bhp, 1050kg car can go from zero to 160mph and back again within one mile...two-up...and with full tanks. All on a runway of course.

A quick call to the factory revealed that one particular customer has fitted a twin-turbo version of the LS7 with a reputed (and entirely believable) 1200bhp in his Can Am-bodied Ultima, which has resulted in a claimed top speed of 247mph. Not bad for a car that could be built for a fraction of the price of a Koenigsegg.

However despite the stats and superlative performance, there are the inescapable issues of impracticality and acute lack of ride quality. There are of course other virtually brand new performance cars for £70,000 which are slanted slightly more in favour of comfort. There's this for starters.


You'd have to make do with just 385bhp, and as fast as the Porker is you wouldn't be able to boast any performance records, although that trip you've been planning to the Nurburgring would be infinitely more comfortable and probably wouldn't necessitate a spell at the chiropractor on your return. Also, your passenger would probably appreciate things like carpet and the fact that there would be some measureable physical distance between the two of you.

Come to think of it, despite the power and performance of the Ultima, in the real world you'd have to be mad to pick one over the Carrera. Wouldn't you?



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B.J.W

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5,847 posts

235 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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I have two friends who fall into the 'jack mad the mad' camp. One is building a Can Am from scratch, the other picks up 'Tango' - a part built GTR - this afternoon. We are due to discuss this, and various other acts of madness at the pub this evening. They may well post on this thread. Friend one will probably talk about the strange feeling he gets in his tummy when he pops a rivet (or whatever it is he is doing in the garage at the moment) Friend two will probably be all excited...... and will then have the car up for sale again on PH by tomorrow morning because he will have seen something else nice and shiny to attract his attention. wink

suffolk009

6,979 posts

185 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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I'd take it over a porsche any day. especially the can-am with no screen.

356Speedster

2,294 posts

251 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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Article said:
Come to think of it, despite the power and performance of the Ultima, in the real world you'd have to be mad to pick one over the Carrera. Wouldn't you?
As BJW's "friend 1" (only friend??), I'm currently building an aeroscreened Can Am, so I guess I must be a little nutty, but that's OK with me wobble

Shameless plug..... If you want to follow my build, drop by and "like" my page: http://www.facebook.com/Ultima.Can.Am.Build

Edited by 356Speedster on Friday 2nd September 10:45

B.J.W

Original Poster:

5,847 posts

235 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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356Speedster said:
Article said:
Come to think of it, despite the power and performance of the Ultima, in the real world you'd have to be mad to pick one over the Carrera. Wouldn't you?
I'm currently building a Can Am, so I guess I must be a little nutty, but that's OK with me wobble
No mention of rivets, H?

356Speedster

2,294 posts

251 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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B.J.W said:
No mention of rivets, H?
[HomerMode]Mmmmmm, riveeeeeeeets :P [/HomerMode]

robinessex

11,747 posts

201 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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Basicaly love the car, BUT. Why doe it look so ugly? KitCar mag a few years ago showed a proposed replacement (much better looking ) body shell which I don't think ever got of the ground. Secondly, despite the munbers built, I don't find the suspension design from a structural point of view sound. I've heard of suspenion failures, and once found a forum with pictures which showed them, but I've never been able to find again.

J35T3R

20 posts

195 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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I've always wondered, are these things built well enough for a crash? They look quite flimsy!

cliffie

172 posts

238 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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Give me the Ultima over the Porker please. The Porsche would just beige into the background compared to the British beast.

British Beef

2,561 posts

185 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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I would take the Ultima any day, so long as I have a garage and other cars. Driving a car that can out perform a Veyron (up to say 200mph) would be neat and I like the look of these things and the rarity.

If you are after a 1 car solution in your life then obviously the Porsche wins.

cragswinter

21,429 posts

216 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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I showed someone round the ring in one & friggin 'ell it was awful!

Talk about bump steer & I don't know what diff was in it but without heel n toe he kept skipping the back end out on the down shifts. I've never been so pleased to get out a car!

I hope set up accounts for a lot.....

RB Will

10,570 posts

260 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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I need to own one of these at some point.

S800VXR

5,876 posts

220 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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cragswinter said:
I showed someone round the ring in one & friggin 'ell it was awful!

Talk about bump steer & I don't know what diff was in it but without heel n toe he kept skipping the back end out on the down shifts. I've never been so pleased to get out a car!

I hope set up accounts for a lot.....
I totally agree re the ride quality, they look awsome but you need to be very hard core to want to drive one. Also the convertible one I went out in was so hot inside I couldn't wait to get out of it so definately not for the luxury market. Id also want some sort of concrete warrentee with LS Power being behind the build, to many reported issues with quality for my liking and 70k is not spare change to anyone.

Stevie Mojo

1,520 posts

257 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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British Beef said:
I would take the Ultima any day
Me too.

daveco

4,345 posts

227 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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A ridiculous looking front end for such a track weapon. Coudl be a huge seller if they sorted out the design...

Monty Python

4,813 posts

217 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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Is it me, or does it look like the passenger bit looks like an afterthought? It looks far too uprights, especially in this view:

http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/popup3.asp?pictureU...

Despite the price-performance being pretty phenomenal, I wouldn't have one.

Stig

11,823 posts

304 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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"Acute lack of ride quality"

"Come to think of it, despite the power and performance of the Ultima, in the real world you'd have to be mad to pick one over the Carrera. Wouldn't you?"

I have no idea what they have done to this particular GTR, but neither of these comments have any resonance with my experience of the cars.

Doesn't sound as if the author had driven the car from the article either - not sure how you can form these opinions based on looking at a few photos and calling the factory?

That said, the car in the article is a long way from the best Ultimas out there (sorry philcerb).

silversixx

140 posts

231 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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Stig said:
"Acute lack of ride quality"

"Come to think of it, despite the power and performance of the Ultima, in the real world you'd have to be mad to pick one over the Carrera. Wouldn't you?"

I have no idea what they have done to this particular GTR, but neither of these comments have any resonance with my experience of the cars.

Doesn't sound as if the author had driven the car from the article either - not sure how you can form these opinions based on looking at a few photos and calling the factory?

That said, the car in the article is a long way from the best Ultimas out there (sorry philcerb).
Fair enough, I haven't driven this one, but I have experienced several on the road and the ride was a long way off what the Porsche offers.

That said, I'd personally go for the Ultima! wink

Audi 525i

1,250 posts

172 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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J35T3R said:
I've always wondered, are these things built well enough for a crash? They look quite flimsy!
I suspect it wont do well in Euro NCAP type test! Does it even have a single airbag?

k-ink

9,070 posts

199 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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The 1200 pony CanAm sounds mildly entertaining in the damp UK hehe

Fat Albert

1,461 posts

201 months

Friday 2nd September 2011
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Ever since I was overtaken by a Spyder driven by a guy in a suit with a crash helemt a few years ago they have been on my radar.
I saw a couple at 'Caring with Cars' and having done 300 miles in the F1 GTR that day my appetite for something outrageously silly to go in the garage was well and truly whetted

So, I have preliminary Senior management Approval to start a build at the back end of next year/early the following year, once we have moved house and stuff.

Now, the big decision is GTR or Can Am? I love the shape of the GTR, but as a fun car shouldn't it be open-topped?