Flapping Biker
Discussion
OK, I know I'll get shot down for this, but pulling out of a side ride in a country village yesterday, I caused a biker to slow down.
No danger, he was (estimated) 300 yards away, when I pulled out briskly, he caught up with me after maybe 200 yards, when I was doing 50, and had to slow anyway, since that was the limit, and there were other cars in front of me.
The point is, he was flapping his arms like I had done something wrong, when in fact I only caused him to slow down to the speed limit in a village!
Why do bikers believe that people should make allowances for the fact that they may be doing substantially over the speed limit, so should always let them pass before pulling out. Also, if people pull out in front of me when I'm going over the speed limit, I would take it on the chin, drive fast, you have to be extra careful, and not blame other drivers if you have to slow!
Ducks!
No danger, he was (estimated) 300 yards away, when I pulled out briskly, he caught up with me after maybe 200 yards, when I was doing 50, and had to slow anyway, since that was the limit, and there were other cars in front of me.
The point is, he was flapping his arms like I had done something wrong, when in fact I only caused him to slow down to the speed limit in a village!
Why do bikers believe that people should make allowances for the fact that they may be doing substantially over the speed limit, so should always let them pass before pulling out. Also, if people pull out in front of me when I'm going over the speed limit, I would take it on the chin, drive fast, you have to be extra careful, and not blame other drivers if you have to slow!
Ducks!
He should be thanking me, not flapping, if I had been an old person pulling out more slowly he would have gone straight into me, and HE would be responsible for driving 70 in a 40 zone!
Or if a kid had run out, would you be whining about kids causing drivers to cause speed/ direction? Wouldn't get you very far with the kids grieving parents would it!
Or if a kid had run out, would you be whining about kids causing drivers to cause speed/ direction? Wouldn't get you very far with the kids grieving parents would it!
You can't control the old man or the kid, you can only control yourself (arguable). Why not give the biker two other idiots to worry about instead of three?
EDIT: Oh, and the parents of a kid who gets hit by a car are hardly likely to be the best source for a balanced, unbiased judgement on who was right or wrong, are they?
EDIT: Oh, and the parents of a kid who gets hit by a car are hardly likely to be the best source for a balanced, unbiased judgement on who was right or wrong, are they?
Edited by Alfanatic on Friday 2nd September 17:33
herewego said:
So now you're saying that he was so close when you pulled out that he would have crashed into you if you hadn't booted it down the road.
Where did I say that?I said if I had been an older driver, who had pulled out slower, and accelerated more slowly, then he probably would have struggled a lot more to bring his illegal speed down safely! Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough.
Garlick said:
But kids generally don't know any better. An experienced driver should.
Odd analogy IMO.
Not really, speed limits are in place in built up areas due to the fact that there will be more junctions, and more pedestrians around.Odd analogy IMO.
I guess the real point is we see so many threads about stupid drivers not checking properly for bikers, but I always check properly, but do we have to make extra allowances to accommodate illegal speeds of bikers?
And I was amazed that he even had to slow down, really don't think I misjudged it, certainly not badly, as stated I was up to 50 by the time I saw him flapping his arms, and I was looking for him in my mirror. We're not talking here about me pulling out just in front of him, we're talking about an over-reaction.
Plus remember by the time he caught up with me I was slowing for the other traffic in front of me, so he would have had to slow anyway. As I said, I think an over-reaction from a paranoid biker!
Edited by bozmandb9 on Friday 2nd September 17:39
This won't end well. OP, a rule when driving always assess the oncoming speed, check indication for the turning you emerge from then make your move according to the factors.
If in doubt allow vehicles to pass and make your move.
You clearly just pulled out on someone on a road. Testing your acceleration were we?
If in doubt allow vehicles to pass and make your move.
You clearly just pulled out on someone on a road. Testing your acceleration were we?
bozmandb9 said:
OK, I know I'll get shot down for this, but pulling out of a side ride in a country village yesterday, I caused a biker to slow down.
No danger, he was (estimated) 300 yards away, when I pulled out briskly, he caught up with me after maybe 200 yards, when I was doing 50, and had to slow anyway, since that was the limit, and there were other cars in front of me.
The point is, he was flapping his arms like I had done something wrong, when in fact I only caused him to slow down to the speed limit in a village!
Why do bikers believe that people should make allowances for the fact that they may be doing substantially over the speed limit, so should always let them pass before pulling out. Also, if people pull out in front of me when I'm going over the speed limit, I would take it on the chin, drive fast, you have to be extra careful, and not blame other drivers if you have to slow!
Ducks!
Had pretty much the same argument with the OH yesterday. We were coming round a large roundabout (Brookstreet in brentwood - connects M25 with A12 etc..) I was going a little faster than standard for a roundabout and someone pulls out on me from the brentwood side and cuts across me.. No danger, he was (estimated) 300 yards away, when I pulled out briskly, he caught up with me after maybe 200 yards, when I was doing 50, and had to slow anyway, since that was the limit, and there were other cars in front of me.
The point is, he was flapping his arms like I had done something wrong, when in fact I only caused him to slow down to the speed limit in a village!
Why do bikers believe that people should make allowances for the fact that they may be doing substantially over the speed limit, so should always let them pass before pulling out. Also, if people pull out in front of me when I'm going over the speed limit, I would take it on the chin, drive fast, you have to be extra careful, and not blame other drivers if you have to slow!
Ducks!
I slow and bib, partner pipes up and says 'its not his fault, you were going too fast..'
I beg to differ.. its the job of the driver joining the roundabout to judge speed and pull out accordingly. - she just couldn't see it.
it appears you are the same
2 Wrongs do not make a right :-/
It's a bit hard to know what to write when the original poster makes it clear that they feel they were in the right and starts posting persuasive replies to encourage agreement with their post when people try and insert reasonable contra views. That's not really a discussion, it's other people being rewarded for agreeing with you, like an internet forum circle-jerk, lemon party style.
You were right, the biker was an absolute b
d and his actions were dangerous. Your attempt to police the roads were entirely justified and you should be given a medal. In no way should you consider that your actions were in any way poor and may be argued as equally questionable as the biker, you're the best. I am agreeing with your post so you feel that you were right, since this seems to be what you want rather than a discussion, hope this agreement has been sufficient.
You were right, the biker was an absolute b
d and his actions were dangerous. Your attempt to police the roads were entirely justified and you should be given a medal. In no way should you consider that your actions were in any way poor and may be argued as equally questionable as the biker, you're the best. I am agreeing with your post so you feel that you were right, since this seems to be what you want rather than a discussion, hope this agreement has been sufficient.Hold on a minute..
If you pull out on someone then of course that is your fault if an accident occurs, however if an accident occurs and it is proven that the person who you pulled out infront of was speeding then it is not as clear cut.
The law clearly acknowledges that if someone is speeding and you pull out that it is not completely your fault if they hit you.
If you pull out on someone then of course that is your fault if an accident occurs, however if an accident occurs and it is proven that the person who you pulled out infront of was speeding then it is not as clear cut.
The law clearly acknowledges that if someone is speeding and you pull out that it is not completely your fault if they hit you.
mercfunder said:
Bozmandb9, I'd quite while your ahead, You should know everybody on here is a driving god who has never made a mistake or been in the wrong.
I don't think it's that, but the OP thinks he was 100% right without the possibility he was 50% wrong. Then posts on PH. So it will get dissected and possible ridicule.You post=you're fair game.
tyranical said:
Hold on a minute..
If you pull out on someone then of course that is your fault if an accident occurs, however if an accident occurs and it is proven that the person who you pulled out infront of was speeding then it is not as clear cut.
The law clearly acknowledges that if someone is speeding and you pull out that it is not completely your fault if they hit you.
life is full of 'it wouldn't be my fault....'If you pull out on someone then of course that is your fault if an accident occurs, however if an accident occurs and it is proven that the person who you pulled out infront of was speeding then it is not as clear cut.
The law clearly acknowledges that if someone is speeding and you pull out that it is not completely your fault if they hit you.
but so are grave stones..
protect yourself first, worry about the law second.
Thesaint01708 said:
life is full of 'it wouldn't be my fault....'
but so are grave stones..
protect yourself first, worry about the law second.
Of course, i am not saying you should pull out on people who speed, thats ridiculous. I am just saying it's not as clear cut as the responses so far have made it out to be.but so are grave stones..
protect yourself first, worry about the law second.
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