RE: (Frickin') Thorium Lasers To Power Cars 'For Ever'
RE: (Frickin') Thorium Lasers To Power Cars 'For Ever'
Tuesday 6th September 2011

Frickin' Thorium Lasers To Power Cars 'For Ever'

Forget the sharks, we want lasers in our cars says US entrepreneur


'Cadillac' World Thorium Fuel concept
'Cadillac' World Thorium Fuel concept
A US based entrepreneur is mooting plans to power cars with a steam turbine generator that uses 'an accelerator-driven thorium-based laser' as its heat source.

Being the sorts of duffers who would have done combined science as a GCSE had the option been available back in the day, we have absolutely no idea if this is remotely plausible. But the story does give us the opportunity to run a picture of Dr Evil on the PH homepage, which is itself an opportunity not to be missed.

Anyways... according to an article on txchnologist.com, Charles Stevens' firm Laser Power Systems has been working with thorium because it is only mildly radioactive, and the material is as abundant as lead.

Some more concepty/thorium stuff...
Some more concepty/thorium stuff...
Apparently, (says txchnologist.com), thorium is a much-touted stand in for uranium in nuclear reactors because its fission is not self-sustaining, a type of reaction called 'sub-critical'.

The website also reckons the idea has energised the small but active thorium community which holds that it is the answer to our clean energy needs because it could, effectively, power a car forever. The new technology "would be totally emissions-free," Stevens says, "with no need for recharging."

A power generator of the type described making the equivalent of 335hp would weigh around 225kgs and be small enough to fit under the hood of a car, we're told. Using just 8 grams of thorium the unit could power a car for 300,000 miles of 'normal' driving.

Which all sounds like a great cue for an 'oil company conspiracy' story. It has also (it must be said...) provided quite a good opportunity for txchnologist.com's own readers to put the boot in via their comment threads

Not Charles Stevens
Not Charles Stevens
The car pictured is a thorium powered concept Cadillac conceived by Loren Kulesus in 2009, and which we managed to overlook at the time. For reasons best known to himself, he called it the World Thorium Fuel concept - or WTF.

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Codswallop

Original Poster:

5,256 posts

215 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Sounds frickin' sweet if it can actually work. No mention of cost though.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

225 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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So we have the intelligence to build nuclear lazer powered cars but are we smart enough not to crash them

Rawwr

22,722 posts

255 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Article said:
small but active thorium community
Mmhmm.

Oily Nails

2,932 posts

221 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
So we have the intelligence to build nuclear lazer powered cars but are we smart enough not to crash them
Just imagine the monkeys at your local cowboy Garage gettingtheir hands on one of those!

"yeah mate its the distributor...we'll whip it out and have the car back to you Thursday..>"

XJSsometimeSoon

378 posts

180 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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We have some Thorium in the elements cupboard at uni... who can build me the laser bit?

Globs

13,847 posts

252 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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You should change the title of this, it doesn't open in most browsers unless you trim the title off.

Chris Type R

8,653 posts

270 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Is it April already ?

TheEnd

15,370 posts

209 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Globs said:
You should change the title of this, it doesn't open in most browsers unless you trim the title off.
"Sorry, the address entered is not valid

Proceed to home page"

Globs

13,847 posts

252 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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TheEnd said:
Globs said:
You should change the title of this, it doesn't open in most browsers unless you trim the title off.
"Sorry, the address entered is not valid

Proceed to home page"
Yes that's the one. I guess that the URL encoding/decoding at PH towers is a bit ste.
I like the Thorium bit though..

hairykrishna

14,296 posts

224 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Their website appears to mix various facts about sub critical Thorium reactors with some bumpf about lasers in a nonsensical way. File under 'Nut case investment fraud'.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

225 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Globs said:
Yes that's the one. I guess that the URL encoding/decoding at PH towers is a bit ste.
I like the Thorium bit though..
I reckon it's either the brackets or the unmatched single quotes doing it.

mcdjl

5,652 posts

216 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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hairykrishna said:
Their website appears to mix various facts about sub critical Thorium reactors with some bumpf about lasers in a nonsensical way. File under 'Nut case investment fraud'.
If they'd left it as we use a laser to make the thorium decay quicker, and hence get more power out of it from which we power the laser and the car, i could begin to believe it- ie the laser keeps the thorium above criticality. If they said we use a thorium generator, i'd say the reactor might need to be a bit bigger.
If the lasers powering the car, whats powering the laser? Either way where can i buy the MaxFelaser they're using? At 90% efficient (most are around 20%) and tuneable between 0.1 and 100um (Uv through to radio waves) that sound like an awesomely useful laser.... however maybe not
website link said:
The thorium laser does not produce a beam of coherent light like conventional lasers, but instead merely heats up and gives off energy
doesn't make it sound like anything i'd recognise as a laser frown. That said he built the first one in 1985 so what do i know? (i wasn't long out of nappies back then)

Jigsjigz

93 posts

190 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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sounds awesome shame they wont make it till 2100+ad what happend to the blowtorch made in 2000 that ran on water? and gave off water? never to be seen again

hairykrishna

14,296 posts

224 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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mcdjl said:
If they'd left it as we use a laser to make the thorium decay quicker, and hence get more power out of it from which we power the laser and the car, i could begin to believe it- ie the laser keeps the thorium above criticality.
I couldn't believe it - that's not what criticality means! The rate of decay of radioactive of elements is fixed, as far as we know. If they've proved otherwise we're going to have re-write most of modern physics and they're going to get a Nobel prize.
Criticality relates to the number of neutrons being produced in fission reactions that then go on to cause more fission reactions. If a reactor is 'critical' each fission reaction produces another one and the power level is constant. Supercritical each fission reaction produces more than one follow on fission reaction, power is going up. Sub critical, less than one, power is going down. A sub critical Thorium reactor uses some external source of neutrons, like a particle accelerator, to generate 'extra' fission reactions so the power level can be increased even though it's not generating enough neutrons itself to sustain the reaction rate.

As you say, their laser doesn't sound like it's a laser at all. Unless it's emitting coherent light it isn't a laser, by definition. I suppose it could be an IR laser, badly translated for the press, but I doubt it. Free electron lasers do exist and you can do some cool stuff with them but I somehow doubt these clowns have anything beyond a crappy website and some press releases.

anonymous-user

75 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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As always, the line between "possible" and "practical" is blurred by people doing a bit of self publicity work!

It's possible right now to power a car by a nuclear fission, or even fusion source, or by hydrogen, a fuel cell, compressed gas, falling water, small mexican jumping beetles, coal, solar radiation, wind power, camels, steam, unemployed people, and perhaps even hot air (PH should get something together..... ;-) but none of those are currently as practical as using dead dinosaurs in liquid form with a reciprocating internal combustion engine and mechanical transmisson tongue out

Streetrod

6,480 posts

227 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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If this was anywhere near being a practical solution at this time, this guy would now be propping up an overpass. The oil companies as well as world governments would have too much to lose if this thing came to market.

Tin foil hat on....

qube_TA

8,405 posts

266 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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I don't care if it works I want that Caddy!

qube_TA

8,405 posts

266 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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I don't care if it works I want that Caddy!

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

194 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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XJSsometimeSoon said:
We have some Thorium in the elements cupboard at uni... who can build me the laser bit?
Break open a BluRay player, there's your laser.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

225 months

Monday 5th September 2011
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Oily Nails said:
Just imagine the monkeys at your local cowboy Garage gettingtheir hands on one of those!

"yeah mate its the distributor...we'll whip it out and have the car back to you Thursday..>"
I can just picture the scene on Thursday

" I mate we had a few issues with your car"

"I'm sure you only had 2 arms when i dropped the car off"