Change in MOT rules : headlights?
Change in MOT rules : headlights?
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onyx39

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11,349 posts

171 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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The Mrs's 106 has just failed its MOT on headlamp adjustment. Mentioned it to a friend who was completely unsurprised as this is the 4th car he has heard of in recent weeks to have failed on this. The car passed last year without issue, and has had no damage, so how can it be fine last year and not this year? Had there been a regulation change recently?

DavidHM

3,940 posts

221 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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I had a 5 Series that failed because the plastic regulators that hold the bulb holders upright failed ... £10 part (or £200 for a new headlight from a garage that doesn't know what it's doing)...

So it may not be the rules, but failures within headlights can certainly happen as springs, clips etc. work loose and the bulb drops to the floor.

otherman

2,259 posts

186 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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onyx39 said:
The car passed last year without issue, and has had no damage, so how can it be fine last year and not this year? Had there been a regulation change recently?
It doesn't really work like that though. Otherwise it would pass every year, for ever, as long as you don't damage it. Things deteriorate.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

225 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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My land rover failed also on headlights

Okay it did fall out and dangle off the wires

onyx39

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11,349 posts

171 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
My land rover failed also on headlights

Okay it did fall out and dangle off the wires
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onyx39

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171 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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otherman said:
It doesn't really work like that though. Otherwise it would pass every year, for ever, as long as you don't damage it. Things deteriorate.
Agreed, but I am surprised as it is not a moving part, but the reason I posted was because of the fact that I know so many people having had headlamps pointed out ATM.

maniac0796

1,292 posts

187 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Set your car up infront of a beam tester, and then whack the crossmember above it with your fist. Chances are the beam will drop a bit. Repeat for a year.

The other thing that knocks them out is when people change bulbs.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

184 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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If its just a simple re alignment job,many testers will do it for nothing anyway.smile

Kays vRS

1,993 posts

197 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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I had a car fail for this about 9 or 10 years ago, and it was only out by a fraction, so it isn't a change in rules.

GC8

19,910 posts

211 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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iva cosworth said:
If its just a simple re alignment job,many testers will do it for nothing anyway.smile
They always used to, but Id expect to be failed now. I used to think that aiming the lamps was part of the test, because all testers did it...

MondeoMan1981

2,445 posts

204 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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iva cosworth said:
If its just a simple re alignment job,many testers will do it for nothing anyway.smile
This is what happened with mine last year, failed on beam, adjusted and retested FOC.

bazking69

8,620 posts

211 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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'But you passed it last year' and 'couldn't you have adjusted it there and then to pass it'. Two of the usual lines.

The purpose of the MOT test is to check the car, highlight problems and report accordingly. Not to resolve small issues as a goodwill gesture, most of which are usually the result of owners being too lazy to carry out basic checks before taking their car for its MOT.

MOT testers are not permitted to carry out repairs during the test. Even if they were, I fail to see why people think its a given that small issues should be resolved there and then.

Our roads are crap. Thousands of thuds a year. Headlights do fall out of alignment and they are rightly highlighted and failed at MOT time.

onyx39

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11,349 posts

171 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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Had a friend look at the headlights yesterday, he could find nothing wrong with them. He did notice that the headlight adjuster in the car had been set to 3 instead of 0, asked the mrs about this, she looked rather sheepish, and apologised.
Took the car back for a retest this morning, passed with flying colours, interestingly enough, they did not charge for the re-test, despite previously stating that they would. Is it a mistake by the tester not to check this switch in the car?


832ark

1,244 posts

177 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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bazking69 said:
MOT testers are not permitted to carry out repairs during the test. Even if they were, I fail to see why people think its a given that small issues should be resolved there and then.


But they're allowed to adjust headlight alignment during the test I believe.

JonnyFive

29,738 posts

210 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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MondeoMan1981 said:
iva cosworth said:
If its just a simple re alignment job,many testers will do it for nothing anyway.smile
This is what happened with mine last year, failed on beam, adjusted and retested FOC.
This is what usually happens.. If we fail them on beams we align them for free.


Getragdogleg

9,772 posts

204 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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In my experience the newer beam testers are way more picky that the old style ones, We had almost every car fail when we got the new beam tester, only the really new cars were passing.

After a year or so the returning cars were passing again.

Dr Doofenshmirtz

16,521 posts

221 months

Monday 31st October 2011
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onyx39 said:
Had a friend look at the headlights yesterday, he could find nothing wrong with them. He did notice that the headlight adjuster in the car had been set to 3 instead of 0, asked the mrs about this, she looked rather sheepish, and apologised.
Took the car back for a retest this morning, passed with flying colours, interestingly enough, they did not charge for the re-test, despite previously stating that they would. Is it a mistake by the tester not to check this switch in the car?
Oh dear - you would have thought an MOT tester would check this...although I suppose strickly speaking they shoulden't? They are allowed to replace bulbs and tighten up loose bolts now though.

I recently took my bike in for an MOT, and it failed becasue the side light bulb (or whatever it's called on a bike) had blown. He replaced the bulb, issued a failure notice and an immidiate pass notice.