Manual M5. WTF
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Random conjecture……
Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
edo said:
According to BMW, they are planning a manual for the US version, but see no demand for a manual one in the UK???
Contrary to common UK mis-conception, Yanks actually like manuals in performance cars. e.g. The Viper, Mustang Cobra, Shelby GT500, Corvette ZR-1, C5 z06, C6 z06 and C6 ZR1 have all only been available with manuals only.Snowboy said:
Random conjecture……
Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
lol and eh? You not driven a 6 speeder Vette then?Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
300bhp/ton said:
Contrary to common UK mis-conception, Yanks actually like manuals in performance cars. e.g. The Viper, Mustang Cobra, Shelby GT500, Corvette ZR-1, C5 z06, C6 z06 and C6 ZR1 have all only been available with manuals only.
no s
t sherlock, but you'd think people in the UK/EU would want the manual too.Snowboy said:
Random conjecture……
Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
I hope this is true, because if it is, I have just learned something.Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
Mr Gear said:
Snowboy said:
Random conjecture……
Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
I hope this is true, because if it is, I have just learned something.Manuals in the US often have clutch delays valves because Americans are stupid and don’t know how to use the clutch properly.
The clutch delay valve stops any damage to the clutch when it's dumped too hard or ridden.
In the UK we don't like clutch delay valves and they get loads of bad press or get removed by owners – who then dump the clutch and break it.
So, BMW have decided not to sell a car with a crap clutch in the UK because we like decent clutches.
But, they will sell it in the US where people can preen about their manual driving skills even though they have a clutch with stabilisers on.
twazzock said:
300bhp/ton said:
Contrary to common UK mis-conception, Yanks actually like manuals in performance cars. e.g. The Viper, Mustang Cobra, Shelby GT500, Corvette ZR-1, C5 z06, C6 z06 and C6 ZR1 have all only been available with manuals only.
no st sherlock, but you'd think people in the UK/EU would want the manual too.Nearly all American imports to this country are auto's... despite in many cases the auto version being less popular State side.
Indeed my own car, a Euro spec Camaro is auto. The manual was the standard gearbox and the auto a non cost option. Yet somehow about 98% of the Euro models are auto's. I think in the US around 60% where manuals.
As for wanting it in the UK/EU, look at what Ferrari, Lambo, Aston currently offer? Along with cars like the VAG's with their SMG boxes and the likes of the M3 CSL (e46).
Sadly it seems those of us who prefer manuals are in a minority in the UK and a minority of a small market means low overall numbers. The US market is huge by comparison, so even if manuals are a minority there for the likes of the M5, there is probably enough demand in terms of expected units to be sold to make it viable and profitable.
It's worth pointing out that the CDV is there to protect the drivetrain from inertia shock loading, and not to protect the clutch. In fact it actually is more likely to damage the clutch as it increases the slip duration, which increases clutch temperature. It prevents the driver from rapidly transfering the engines inertial energy (i.e. rev to limiter, dump clutch) into the drivetrain, and hence overloading the rotating and bearing components). Quite often these days the engine management will have a lower rev limit when at zero road speed in first gear as an alternate method to prevent inertial overload (often limiting engine speed to approx 4500rpm)
I’d guess that most people who get a hire car in the states end up in an auto because (AFAIK) hire places prefer them because they take less wear on the clutch and drivetrain.
My favourite American/Canadian car was my 6.5l V8 chevvy dayvan.
It had a proper Auto gearshift behind the steering wheel and big pink armchairs for seats.
Another random half baked idea….
Do all the cars get made in the same factory?
Is it possible that the manuals are made in the US and the auto in Europe and it’s just not worth shipping the manual over here?
My favourite American/Canadian car was my 6.5l V8 chevvy dayvan.
It had a proper Auto gearshift behind the steering wheel and big pink armchairs for seats.
Another random half baked idea….
Do all the cars get made in the same factory?
Is it possible that the manuals are made in the US and the auto in Europe and it’s just not worth shipping the manual over here?
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