Re: PH Blog: whole lotta Porsches
Re: PH Blog: whole lotta Porsches
Wednesday 16th November 2011

PH Blog: whole lotta Porsches

Brace yourself - there's going to be a lot of talk of glorified Beetles this week on PH


Coming to PH soon - the all-new 911
Coming to PH soon - the all-new 911
So, this week we'll be driving the all-new Porsche 911. But not until Friday. I'm pretty excited about this - who wouldn't be - and I hope you are too. And to help get us all in the mood we'll be hearing from a selection of PH Carpoolers running various 911s and, courtesy of our man Silversixx, considering exactly how much 'proper' Porsche you can get for the price of a Golf GTI.

Porsche is launching the new 911 over in LA so the flight over was an excellent opportunity to really get to grips with the press pack. It's complex enough I've even had to draw a flow chart in my press pack to make sense of the various option combos. And, I must confess, I'm a little worried.

There is an awful lot of technology on this new car. Sure, you'll have got the headlines already - 100mm longer in the wheelbase, part-aluminium construction, electric steering, seven-speed manual gearbox and the rest. But our drive in the GT3 RS 4.0earlier in the year inspired a lot of PH chatter about analogue versus digital cars and there's no escaping the fact Porsche has thrown the gadget toybox at the 991.

911 got gadgets but has done got soul?
911 got gadgets but has done got soul?
From the suspension to the steering, differential, exhaust, engine mounts, rear wing, brakes and even engine sound it seems there's nothing that escapes a little assistance from the black boxes. I'm really hoping Porsche will lay on an absolute base-spec Carrera 2 with the standard suspension, manual gearbox and bare minimum of options for us to drive too. But I fear most of the test cars are going to be packing an acronym overload and Christmas tree spec that'll make getting to the heart of the new 911 something of a challenge.

Such is the march of technology but when a firm like Porsche has such mastery of the fundamentals of making great cars - Cayman R, GT3 911s and all - that rely less on gadgets and more on expertise and experience it seems a shame to smother all that with an Audi-like obsession with tech for tech's sake.

Black Series promises old-school thrills
Black Series promises old-school thrills
We'll find out later in the week but the 911 will be an interesting comparison with the Mercedes C63 Coupe Black Series you'll also be reading about shortly. AMG, unlike its German rivals, seems happy to stick with the (relative) basics of a snorting great engine, fixed rate dampers and a great set-up. Very different cars in pretty much every respect, the Black Series and 911 also represent divergent theories on what makes a modern performance car. It is, very much, a fight between new- and old-school.

It'll certainly be interesting to see how the experiences of our 911-owning carpoolers help put the new Porsche in some sort of context too. And if you fancy your 911-shaped thrills minus the computer enhancement we'll have plenty of tempting ways to scratch the itch on the used market.

Stay tuned and, in the meantime, enjoy our post-Rally GB blow-out - from Mk2 Escortsto Chevettes and a breakdown of how Loeb continues to dominateour bobble hats remain very firmly in place!

Dan


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C2james

Original Poster:

4,685 posts

186 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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I think I prefer that merc over the new 911.

andrew.delamare

74 posts

276 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Agreed, more pics of that black series Merc please PH. Looks lovely!

EDLT

15,421 posts

227 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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I found the secret thread!

C2james

Original Poster:

4,685 posts

186 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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EDLT said:
I found the secret thread!
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sebhaque

6,534 posts

202 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Red Black series does not compute. Although both are rather tasty motors!

(These secret threads are getting easy to get into now. Just click the folder icon thingyboby or tab in if you're an IT whiz).

0a

24,058 posts

215 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Don't tell them!

g7jhp

7,022 posts

259 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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C2james said:
EDLT said:
I found the secret thread!
thumbup
Well I've just found the secret 911 threads! biggrin


Maximum Bobs

3,762 posts

239 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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In before the title.

ZesPak

25,956 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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C2james said:
I think I prefer that merc over the new 911.
Indeed, that look proper lick

AV12

5,346 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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That was a pleasure to read.

melvster

6,841 posts

206 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Merc Black Series for me, 911 is boring, not interested in the Carrera models, cant wait to see what the GT3 will be like though.

nickfrog

23,882 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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The guy in the first pic looks like he's just woken up from s snooze behind the wheels despite going sideways.

BelfastBoy

779 posts

181 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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On the basis of the photos alone, the Merc looks far meaner and sexier than the new 911. In fact, I think that, in the photo at the top of the article, the new 911 looks scarily like a Cayman. Am I alone in thinking this?

To disgress slightly, I think the big problem Porsche have with styling is that they don't make pretty cars (even something like a Carrera GT, superb car though it is, strikes me as being purposeful rather than beautiful). The 911 shape is so familiar it'll never change, and recent generations of the car - 997 especially - look great (though IMO the rear of the car always looks more balanced with a Turbo / RS rear wing). But here's a scenario that happens most days - I'm driving along and, because I'm interested in cars, I'm always looking out for something vaguely different or exotic. So I spot a Porsche, but what model is it? From a distance, superficially, the front ends of Boxsters, Caymans and 911s all look similar, and it's only when I get closer do I realise what sort of Porsche I'm seeing - usually a Boxster, because they're everywhere. Anyone else have this problem or is it just me? I think the worst offender is the Cayman, because it's styling is so reminiscent of the 911 shape. Obviously the Cayman is a more compact car, but I imagine that many non-enthusiasts will see one and assume that it's a 911. So if that is the case, does the Cayman driver care that his car is being mistaken for the more 'prestigious' model, or - in Richard Hammond's oft-repeated scenario - does this reinforce the inferiority complex of the person who owns a Cayman because they can't afford a 911? (I personally don't buy into Hammond's argument, btw. My issue with the 911, Boxster and Cayman is their front end styling - I think that they can be differentiated easily enough in terms of their relative markets and pricing points.)

pSyCoSiS

4,068 posts

226 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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I look forward to reading your review of the new 911 !

TinyCappo

2,106 posts

174 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Red Amg Black?....Dennis The Menace on wheels?

look forward to your review can you post up your option flowchart id be interested to see what you can have with what and what they have said you cant.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

239 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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"911 got gadgets but has done got soul?"

To quote Cartman "da Fu*k"?

ZesPak

25,956 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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That C Coupé looks amazing.

Today saw a top model E-class coupé and a CL63 AMG, both looked very much alike in terms of lines, which is imho a good thing as I always liked the side-profile of the CL. I'm very pleased that they used the same design for the C-coupé.




MGZRod

8,145 posts

197 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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"This week, on top gear pistonheads"

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Swifty Stig

641 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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MGZRod said:
"This week, on Evo pistonheads"

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EFA wink

Cotic

469 posts

173 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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BelfastBoy said:
...the new 911 looks scarily like a Cayman....
I like that it's taking Movember seriously with a rather elegant 'Poirot'.