Re: PH Carpool: Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2
Re: PH Carpool: Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2
Thursday 17th November 2011

PH Carpool: Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2

How much can you love an 80s 911? Quite a lot, going by our next Porsche-loving Carpooler



Name: Richard Stoddard
Car: 1988 Porsche 911 Carrera
Owned since: 2008
Previously owned: Porsche 944 S2 Cab

It started with a Martini liveried Scalextric car...
It started with a Martini liveried Scalextric car...
Why I bought it
My original Porsche passion was sparked by a Scalextric Porsche when I was about eight. It had wide arches and was covered in the Martini sponsorship livery. I also had the Escort Mexico but could never see myself aspiring to owning a Ford! I found my car at eporsch in Surrey and part ex'd my 944 for it.

What I wish I'd known
The one overwhelming aspect of what to look for when buying an old 911 is the condition of the body, closely followed by the mechanicals and then the service history. Mechanically they are almost bulletproof, but it's the bodywork that suffers on a car this age and can cost large amounts of cash to put right.

I test drove about eight cars ranging from £12,000 to £16,000 and ended up spending £14,500. I spent £250 early on to get a report done on a £12K car and walked away from it when the report came back. This, however, gave me loads of information on stuff to look for on other cars. I use my 3.2 as a daily driver and in nearly four years it has left me stranded four times. Once because the DME relay gave out, the other three because I left the lights on all day!

Thank you Downton Abbey for the nice paintwork
Thank you Downton Abbey for the nice paintwork
Things I love
EVERY time I open the garage door in the morning I feel like a pilot about to board a sleeping fighter jet that's been sitting in the hanger overnight. If I'm sitting on the M4 at 70 I'll put the stereo on but sometimes I'll just listen to the flat-six humming as I watch all the Euro boxes around me fighting for individuality. A special treat for me is to have an A- or B-road as part of my journey to work. Down come the windows, back goes the sunroof and there's no other car on the planet I'd rather be driving.

Things I hate:
Downsides of owning a late-80s 911 are few. My biggest hurdle is having the time to fix things when they wear out. Over time I've fixed a slightly sticking throttle cable, an indicator stalk, a ratting glove box and a noisy blower motor. Other more serious issues have been to get the rear anti-roll bar re-welded and one of the sills needed attention. I recently had a glass-out respray which left the car leaking in heavy rain. However, I have new seals to fit at some point soon.

I suppose the biggest difficulty I have is people who see a Porsche and think 'boy racer' or 'yuppie' (I know, I didn't think they existed any more!). I usually point out they could be driving one for less than the price of the Golf of Mondeo they're sat in. Then there's the folk who just say it's a squashed Beetle. I'm still working on a short reply for that one.

Costs
I can squeeeeeze 450 miles out of a tank, which costs about 100 quid these days but happily average 400. That includes some motorway cruising with a few B-road blats thrown in. Parts are generally cheap enough as there are loads of these cars about and some terrific forums (like impactbumpers.com) can show you where to go for them. I recently needed to get some new window strips to replace the ones that had been bent by a rubbish windscreen replacement company in Cardiff. New they're about £50 a side for the front and about the same for the back. RS911 in mid-Wales, however, were £40 quid for the lot secondhand but you'd be hard pushed to say they weren't straight from the packet. Mark, who runs it, couldn't have been more helpful.

Research paid dividends when choosing his 911
Research paid dividends when choosing his 911
Where I've been
My favourite trips so far are when it's a crisp early morning with nothing else on the road, windows down and the tunes of the engine bouncing of the hedgerows as I blat down the B-roads to work.

What next?
I thought briefly about a Cayman but decided the practicality and the personality of my car are too much to part with, so I'm not selling it! I've got loads of plans for tuning the engine, getting it corner-balanced and tidying the interior. I'd like to get some brighter bulbs for the headlights and a posh Bluetooth iPod stereo. Upgraded suspension and poly bushes are all on the cards too but, when you think about it, an awful lot of very talented people ate, slept and breathed this design for a very long time so I don't think I'll be fiddling with it too much!

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crofty1984

Original Poster:

16,735 posts

225 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Wish I still had mine

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

184 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Its one of those mystery un- titled threads i like so much.smile

Steve_W

1,563 posts

198 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Nice to see someone getting such fun out of their "old" car. thumbup

mollytherocker

14,391 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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'My favourite trips so far are when it's a crisp early morning with nothing else on the road, windows down and the tunes of the engine bouncing of the hedgerows as I blat down the B-roads to work.'

This is what its all about. thumbup

MTR

sinbaddio

2,746 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Beautiful car. And used daily, as it should be. Great article!

soad

34,272 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Another old school porker thumbup

jdcampbell

1,523 posts

270 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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I used to have a 1989 Carrera 4 and I can empathise with every sentiment that Richard mentions. I would have one again in a flash.

On a practical note what you must be conscious of are:

1) When you buy a car such as this make sure that it is one that there is evidence of the owner looking after it. Lots of receipts for regular maintenance and keeping the car in good condition are essential. If maintenance is not kept up to date then you could be facing big bills.

2) The need for top end rebuilds are common, these can cost thousands, so maybe look for one that has had one already - from a respected independent.

3) Use it regularly - if you do it keeps everything working and in good nick. If you use it very occasionally it seems to "stiffen up" and things stop working.

4) Budget for £2k - £2.5 per year (on average) to keep it in tip top condition. This is why I had to sell mine in the end, because I could not afford to look after it properly any more.


Hellbound

2,515 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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As someone who doesn't eat pork, I have a hankering for some.

However, I'm more into the older spoiler-less 911's. Prices have rocketed though so my time's running out frown

pcn1

1,318 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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"get the rear anti-roll bar re-welded"

Is that a good idea, its designed to flexi under the applied torque.
I would have thought the weld would start to crack ?

Off course I'll may be wrong getmecoat


ICSD

638 posts

255 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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I've had 2 3.2 Carrera's, a Targa and a Coupe and they are the best cars I've ever owned. Expensive maintenance, but with that only occurring every 12k and with the zero depreciation, they're actually cheap cars to keep.

I too used mine as a daily driver and still miss them today, I'd get another one in a heartbeat!

And the reason I got rid of them - guilt! No garage space and I just couldn't cope with the worry of them rotting on the drive in winter time!

targa6226

45 posts

187 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Had mine now for 2 years and can tell you every drive is an event. Slow in fast out and feel that traction and the wail of the engine. Dials all over the dash in no specific pattern, a heater system that took me a year to work out how to demist windscreen. Pedals offset to the left (try not to depress the brake thinking its the clutch as I did). Quite hard ride but you can feel the steering wheel jiggling about on the road. Small and compact and a design that shouts "911". Car seems to get more attention than a silver modern on my adventures. Fabulous track machine as the quicker you go the more you can feel the aero pressing the car into the track.In 2 years have driven 8,000 miles, 4 track days and 10 hillclimbs just what a Porsche was made for.

targa6226

45 posts

187 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Sorry forgot to add this pic from Prescott

mollytherocker

14,391 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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The Crack Fox said:
I love these, but they do look pricey to keep in good shape, OP mentioned full respray, welding, suspension... I've seen lots of these with c.20 owners (!) which look like moneypits.

Still, lovely cars, glad to see them used as daily drivers smile
Just buy carefully in the first place and put your hand in you pocket (20k) and you will be just dandy.

If you try and buy cheaply, a world of potential pain awaits.

MTR

pSyCoSiS

4,082 posts

226 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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I'm loving these Porsche ownership experience articles.

And I love this Porsche - it defines the 911 silhouette.

Stuart

11,638 posts

272 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Such fond memories of the Guards Red '89 3.2 widebody I ran for around 13 months. It was the company car of a director who had left the business, but the paint had bloomed and the engine was running pretty rough. I took it on with the intention of getting it back into shape, running the engine on some longer trips to clear out all the crap and then selling it.

What actually happened was all of the above apart from the effort of actually trying to sell it, which was restricted to asking the people I knew who were the least likely to want an 80s 911 (my Mum, her geriatric neighbour, my 14 year old cousin) and then passing it off as a difficult market.

When it eventually went, it went for £900 less than we'd paid for it 5 years earlier (and had been depreciated as an asset during that time, so effectively gave us back a cash lump) so everyone was happy. Except for me. I still miss it when I read articles like these.

chunkymonkey71

13,134 posts

219 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Cracking car... but possibly the worlds most pointless sunroof!

Looks like it's for posting letters through.

Richard A

181 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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chunkymonkey71 said:
Cracking car... but possibly the worlds most pointless sunroof!
Not only that, but one fitted with the most useless drainage pipes of all time... when mine is finally ready for its total stripdown I've a mind to have it welded up.

Still, that's only a minor niggle with a car that has become a great friend over the years I've owned it. After walking up Plynlimon a couple of years ago, I had a absolutely magical early evening run from there to the English border... every time I saw something in the distance, it turned off before I reached it. I've never quite managed to see an indicated 150 mph during long distance runs in Germany but I've managed to touch 145 mph several times, although I can't deny that things get a little twitchy at that speed in my non-spoilered (yet in all other ways sport specced) car. The car is mainly for B-road fun, so the missing spoilers don't make a big difference overall - just don't attempt any tighter curves on older autobahns when flat out.

Edited by Richard A on Thursday 17th November 15:59

CarbonBlackM5

3,066 posts

239 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Still one of my dream cars and I will have one some day.

I would like mine in Black or Red please smile

dog man

552 posts

223 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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pcn1 said:
"get the rear anti-roll bar re-welded"

Is that a good idea, its designed to flexi under the applied torque.
I would have thought the weld would start to crack ?

Off course I'll may be wrong getmecoat
They must mean the arb mount. Lost in translation I bet

jamespink

1,218 posts

225 months

Thursday 17th November 2011
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Totally brilliant car, I had an '86 3.2 in the same colour, fast (almost booked at 150), reliable (never went wrong) and sold for more than I paid. Whats not to like?