BBC: Police targeting young drivers in offence crackdown
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Caught a story on BBC News earlier saying that the Police are currently targeting young drivers in a campaign to lower the number of motoring offences that are being committed - speeding, mobile phone use etc etc. Might be a specific area, I didn't get all the details.
Anyway - later in the story they mentioned that young people are much more likely to be driving older cars which they are unlikely to be able to afford to maintain which could lead to accidents due to illegal tyres and other safety issues.
........ is it just me that thinks this is caused by the fact the average 17 year old will get raped to the tune of thousands for insurance and by having to fork as much out they might be more inclined to neglect other areas of car ownership and as a result are more likely to be involved in accidents? (the 17 year old driving like a t
t factor aside)
Anyway - later in the story they mentioned that young people are much more likely to be driving older cars which they are unlikely to be able to afford to maintain which could lead to accidents due to illegal tyres and other safety issues.
........ is it just me that thinks this is caused by the fact the average 17 year old will get raped to the tune of thousands for insurance and by having to fork as much out they might be more inclined to neglect other areas of car ownership and as a result are more likely to be involved in accidents? (the 17 year old driving like a t
t factor aside)I agreed with Quentin when he said about teaching kids from as young as 12, and including it in the school syllabus.
They teach you how to ride a bike in Primary school so why not how to drive safely, I understand it would be a huge cost involved in setting up Practical lessons for all school pupils, but even just Theory would be brilliant
They teach you how to ride a bike in Primary school so why not how to drive safely, I understand it would be a huge cost involved in setting up Practical lessons for all school pupils, but even just Theory would be brilliant
Toaster Pilot said:
I do agree that something needs to be done about the standard of driving - I've had a couple of shunts since passing my test I'll openly admit (I've had my license for 3 years now) however I've never had an accident caused by driving in a dangerous or reckless manner.
Whilst when I was young I always drove in a reckless manner...But never had an accident.
Better to be born lucky....
Toaster Pilot said:
...... is it just me that thinks this is caused by the fact the average 17 year old will get raped to the tune of thousands for insurance and by having to fork as much out they might be more inclined to neglect other areas of car ownership and as a result are more likely to be involved in accidents? (the 17 year old driving like a tt factor aside)
nothing to do with the current insurance situation imho. 17 year olds have always driven st factor aside)t heaps with bald tyres. Toaster Pilot said:
is it just me that thinks this is caused by the fact the average 17 year old will get raped to the tune of thousands for insurance and by having to fork as much out they might be more inclined to neglect other areas of car ownership and as a result are more likely to be involved in accidents? (the 17 year old driving like a tt factor aside)
Absolutely spot on.t factor aside)I am hunting for classic minis at the moment but I'm very limited because if I want a 1275, I have to pay £2000 more for insurance compared to an 850/998
Unfortunately it's the few 17-year-olds that drive like t
s that mean we are all tarred with the same brush - cheapest I have seen for an 850cc 1965 model is £1800.Rsohyes said:
I always thought that having rules similar to bikes would make sense.
When you are 17, you sit your test, but are limited to a certain bhp, then after two years the limit is lifted.
Why though, surely insurance imposes that limit already unless you're loaded?When you are 17, you sit your test, but are limited to a certain bhp, then after two years the limit is lifted.
Driving an underpowered car like a tit will result in just as big an accident.
Toaster Pilot said:
Caught a story on BBC News earlier saying that the Police are currently targeting young drivers in a campaign to lower the number of motoring offences that are being committed - speeding, mobile phone use etc etc. Might be a specific area, I didn't get all the details.)
I have to say that, based on my own observations of day to day motoring, the worst offenders for speeding and specifically mobile phone use never seem to be young lads who've passed their test.. certainly in the case of mobile phones, they're usually 'normal' folks in their 30's / 40's! Chicane-UK said:
I have to say that, based on my own observations of day to day motoring, the worst offenders for speeding and specifically mobile phone use never seem to be young lads who've passed their test.. certainly in the case of mobile phones, they're usually 'normal' folks in their 30's / 40's!
That's what I'd have thought given that the ban will have been in force before a lot of them can get into the habit of doing it - although I guess texting etc is quite common.Toaster Pilot said:
Chicane-UK said:
I have to say that, based on my own observations of day to day motoring, the worst offenders for speeding and specifically mobile phone use never seem to be young lads who've passed their test.. certainly in the case of mobile phones, they're usually 'normal' folks in their 30's / 40's!
That's what I'd have thought given that the ban will have been in force before a lot of them can get into the habit of doing it - although I guess texting etc is quite common.chriscoates said:
Unfortunately it's the few 17-year-olds that drive like ts that mean we are all tarred with the same brush - cheapest I have seen for an 850cc 1965 model is £1800.
I would say it's the vast majority of teenagers that behave like idiots that means the very few sensible ones get penalised as well.s that mean we are all tarred with the same brush - cheapest I have seen for an 850cc 1965 model is £1800.Anyone who says teenagers have more accidents because they are forced into driving old unsafe cars are putting the cart before the horse. Insurance rates for teenagers are high because they claim more, not the other way around. Bleedin obvious. If teenagers had less claims in newer high performance cars, the insurance for those would be cheap. Because insurance is based on facts!!! Facts about the experience of the past to second guess the outcome of the future. Rocket science it ain't.
The Crack Fox said:
Stats don't lie. 17 year olds are expensive to insure for a reason.
But not to the extent that premiums have been loaded over the past couple of years. I considered what I paid a few years ago to insure my relatively quick cars as a lot or money, two years on I know people who can't get insured on tiny engine hatchbacks for what I was paying for a twin turbo import not even two years ago.And it is a vicious circle, the higher premiums get, the more dodgy people will get to be on the road and then further up go premiums. Something needs to be done, and something good, not a crack down on young drivers.
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