Big engine & short journeys
Discussion
So this weekend she is planning to get a 350z. She was bored by the thought of a quattro TT, 320V6 SLK, but she also didn't like the cayman.
She has always liked the look of a 350z and know we've seen the price of them she is convinced. We've found a very clean '07 z in grey (or dark silver?) with 19k miles. Now the only thing that concerns me is that it must have only been used for short journeys as the drivers seat is showing signs of wear on the base so it matches it's age but not it's miles if that makes sense?
Does the 350z shrug off short journeys due to it being n/a rather than turbos that dislike short journeys for example?
Plus any pointers would be great! Looking forward to borrowing my mum's car again!
And mods I know I've posted this in the jap chat but GG may give more answers! Thanks
She has always liked the look of a 350z and know we've seen the price of them she is convinced. We've found a very clean '07 z in grey (or dark silver?) with 19k miles. Now the only thing that concerns me is that it must have only been used for short journeys as the drivers seat is showing signs of wear on the base so it matches it's age but not it's miles if that makes sense?
Does the 350z shrug off short journeys due to it being n/a rather than turbos that dislike short journeys for example?
Plus any pointers would be great! Looking forward to borrowing my mum's car again!
And mods I know I've posted this in the jap chat but GG may give more answers! Thanks
If you've found one with that low mileage that looks looked after and has the full Nissan service history then you'd be daft to dismiss it and go for a high mileage example.
As long as its been serviced well and looked after then your laughing.
Who's to say high mileage cars haven't been thrashed to buggery or taken on track every wknd. It's a pointless discussion.
All you can go off is the service book, the mileage and how it looks.
As long as its been serviced well and looked after then your laughing.
Who's to say high mileage cars haven't been thrashed to buggery or taken on track every wknd. It's a pointless discussion.
All you can go off is the service book, the mileage and how it looks.
Does it have a service history or MOT history to back-up the mileage. Also how does the steering wheel look, does it look warn like the seat.
As a lot have said, mileage shouldn't be the priority the overall condition of the car and history should be.
I'd be more concerned about a seat showing wear at only 19,000 miles though. It may just be totally innocent and it's just had a fat person stuck in traffic most it's life. However if the steering wheel is also warn and it has no history I think personally I'd be walking away.
As a lot have said, mileage shouldn't be the priority the overall condition of the car and history should be.
I'd be more concerned about a seat showing wear at only 19,000 miles though. It may just be totally innocent and it's just had a fat person stuck in traffic most it's life. However if the steering wheel is also warn and it has no history I think personally I'd be walking away.
redgriff500 said:
As everyone knows short journeys cause far more wear (to the engine at least) than longer ones.
So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k if you know the 19k has mostly been short trips.
Is that true?So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k if you know the 19k has mostly been short trips.
The one with 50K may have been started from cold the same number of times - that's the critical issue, surely? So if they're both used mainly for every day commuting, but one is doing a longer journey than the other, what's the difference?
redgriff500 said:
As everyone knows short journeys cause far more wear (to the engine at least) than longer ones.
So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k if you know the 19k has mostly been short trips.
A short journey of five minutes causes exactly the same amount of wear to an engine as the first five minutes of a long journey.So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k if you know the 19k has mostly been short trips.
Debaser said:
redgriff500 said:
As everyone knows short journeys cause far more wear (to the engine at least) than longer ones.
So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k if you know the 19k has mostly been short trips.
A short journey of five minutes causes exactly the same amount of wear to an engine as the first five minutes of a long journey.So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k if you know the 19k has mostly been short trips.
Deva Link said:
Is that true?
The one with 50K may have been started from cold the same number of times - that's the critical issue, surely? So if they're both used mainly for every day commuting, but one is doing a longer journey than the other, what's the difference?
This.The one with 50K may have been started from cold the same number of times - that's the critical issue, surely? So if they're both used mainly for every day commuting, but one is doing a longer journey than the other, what's the difference?
If the engines started from cold the same number of times, go for the low mileage one. The exhaust / cat will probably have suffered more, but I'd rather have those easily and cheaply replaceable items go wrong than the engine go pop or start to smoke like a chimney.
redgriff500 said:
Yes... so they are AS worn yet one will be substantially cheaper.
..OK, but that's not what you said. 
I think as fwaggie points out there are other issues with short journeys but wear of the engine isn't one of them. I'd want to be sure the oil have been changed regularly though - condensation builds up in oil that never gets properly hot.
Deva Link said:
redgriff500 said:
Yes... so they are AS worn yet one will be substantially cheaper.
..OK, but that's not what you said. I think as fwaggie points out there are other issues with short journeys but wear of the engine isn't one of them. I'd want to be sure the oil have been changed regularly though - condensation builds up in oil that never gets properly hot.
redgriff500 said:
So personally I'd rather buy a cheaper one with 50k
redgriff500 said:
Erm its precisely what I said.
No - you said:redgriff500 said:
As everyone knows short journeys cause far more wear (to the engine at least) than longer ones.
..which isn't true. The initial wear will be the same, then after the point at which the shorter journey would end, longer journeys must cause more wear, because the engine is running for longer.Deva Link said:
redgriff500 said:
Erm its precisely what I said.
No - you said:redgriff500 said:
As everyone knows short journeys cause far more wear (to the engine at least) than longer ones.
..which isn't true. The initial wear will be the same, then after the point at which the shorter journey would end, longer journeys must cause more wear, because the engine is running for longer.They ran a CBR engine to high mileage on a test bed - so only one cold start. After they took it apart and measured everything for wear.
They found NO measurable wear on anything.
Modern engines and modern oils are incredible EXCEPT when they are cold.
redgriff500 said:
Deva Link said:
redgriff500 said:
Erm its precisely what I said.
No - you said:redgriff500 said:
As everyone knows short journeys cause far more wear (to the engine at least) than longer ones.
..which isn't true. The initial wear will be the same, then after the point at which the shorter journey would end, longer journeys must cause more wear, because the engine is running for longer.They ran a CBR engine to high mileage on a test bed - so only one cold start. After they took it apart and measured everything for wear.
They found NO measurable wear on anything.
Modern engines and modern oils are incredible EXCEPT when they are cold.
redgriff500 said:
Nope.
They ran a CBR engine to high mileage on a test bed - so only one cold start. After they took it apart and measured everything for wear.
They found NO measurable wear on anything.
Modern engines and modern oils are incredible EXCEPT when they are cold.
You're not getting this. The results would have been the SAME (or better) if they'd only run it for 5 mins. It doesn't wear LESS because they ran it for LONGER.They ran a CBR engine to high mileage on a test bed - so only one cold start. After they took it apart and measured everything for wear.
They found NO measurable wear on anything.
Modern engines and modern oils are incredible EXCEPT when they are cold.
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