I don't want satnav in my next car
I don't want satnav in my next car
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CRB1

Original Poster:

922 posts

264 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Is any car manufacturer listening.

Satnav costs me money and I seriously don't want it in my next car.

Anyone feel the same?

Gizmo!

18,150 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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For a while it was seen as an essential option. Now, however, I think it's probably an inconvenience - how exactly will you be able to update the maps files in a '99 Volvo S80 (to take a random example)?

EK993

1,956 posts

273 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Buy one without it optioned so you don't pay for it?

I wouldn't have a car without SatNav, especially now with integration into real time traffic systems etc.

sherman

14,827 posts

237 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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You have three options then

1. Dont buy a brand new car

2. Buy brand new car and dont tick the satnav option

3. Buy a stripped out trackday special.

soad

34,294 posts

198 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Seen as a must have option by many.
Hence becoming the norm.

Talking of a brand new car, there's an option?

so called

9,157 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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My only problem with satnav is that I stop memorizing routes.
I was driving from York PA to Dulles airport a few weeks ago and I've done that drive quite a few times but this time there was no satnav available with the rental and I couldnt remember the route.
Had to stop at Services to buy a map.

When you say "cost you mones" are you refering to updates ?

Mr Happy

5,811 posts

242 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Gizmo! said:
For a while it was seen as an essential option. Now, however, I think it's probably an inconvenience - how exactly will you be able to update the maps files in a '99 Volvo S80 (to take a random example)?
You go to Volvo, and buy the new RTI software and map discs. Or am I missing the point?

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

205 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Buy a car.

If it has a Sat' Nav' buy a hammer.

smash


valiant1

13,165 posts

182 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Bit like aircon in cars around 10 years ago. Usually a paid for option on most cars then is considered standard fit nowadays.

In a few years time all but the basic cars will have satnav as standard IMO.

Baryonyx

18,215 posts

181 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Gizmo! said:
For a while it was seen as an essential option. Now, however, I think it's probably an inconvenience - how exactly will you be able to update the maps files in a '99 Volvo S80 (to take a random example)?
From what I recall of owning a Volvo S60 (without Satnav, I might add), the Sat Nav function on that generation of Volvo cars has long been defunct. It involved using the sat nav system to contact an operator and provide them with a postcode or destination, who would then generate the directions to route your journey and send them to the car's sat nav system. Sounds very complex, IIRC from the reading I did on the system at the time, Lexus may have had a similar system that kept working when the Volvo one was terminated.

On the other hand, a lot of older cars are naturally full of defunct techology, especially ones from the car tech boom of the late 90's. Take a used BMW 7 series for example. I was looking at one the other day with loads of toys that don't work anymore. The sat nav still work, but IIRC it was a DVD system which required you to load discs in for navigation. It had the expensive Traffic Master option, a system that monitored ANPR data from major roads around the country to detect congestion and traffic jams and route you around them. That system too is defunct, despite being over £1000 when new! And the car telephone, now outlawed and switched off. The analogue TV set still works in the North or England but that will be defunct next year too after the digital switch over.

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Are built in sat navs still hilariously expensive compared to the just as good portables?

Baryonyx

18,215 posts

181 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Perd Hapley said:
Are built in sat navs still hilariously expensive compared to the just as good portables?
They are if you're buying the car new.

Emubiker

954 posts

202 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Comes standard in some Clios. A car you can buy for about £9,500 after discounts.

Davel

8,982 posts

280 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Years ago, my uncle thought the same about heaters in cars.

He bought a brand new Rolls and actually had the heater removed.

Madness - if you don't want it, don't use it.

Edited by Davel on Saturday 10th December 16:33

veevee

1,458 posts

173 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Emubiker said:
Comes standard in some Clios. A car you can buy for about £9,500 after discounts.
but the ones that come into clios are literally just a tom tom built into a pop-up bit the dashboard

niva441

2,084 posts

253 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Mr Happy said:
You go to Volvo, and buy the new RTI software and map discs. Or am I missing the point?
I'm guessing that Volvo will want more that the price of a aftermarket unit for update discs, let alone how much Garmin charge for their updates.


Gizmo!

18,150 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Baryonyx said:
Gizmo! said:
For a while it was seen as an essential option. Now, however, I think it's probably an inconvenience - how exactly will you be able to update the maps files in a '99 Volvo S80 (to take a random example)?
From what I recall of owning a Volvo S60 (without Satnav, I might add), the Sat Nav function on that generation of Volvo cars has long been defunct. It involved using the sat nav system to contact an operator and provide them with a postcode or destination, who would then generate the directions to route your journey and send them to the car's sat nav system. Sounds very complex, IIRC from the reading I did on the system at the time, Lexus may have had a similar system that kept working when the Volvo one was terminated.

On the other hand, a lot of older cars are naturally full of defunct techology, especially ones from the car tech boom of the late 90's. Take a used BMW 7 series for example. I was looking at one the other day with loads of toys that don't work anymore. The sat nav still work, but IIRC it was a DVD system which required you to load discs in for navigation. It had the expensive Traffic Master option, a system that monitored ANPR data from major roads around the country to detect congestion and traffic jams and route you around them. That system too is defunct, despite being over £1000 when new! And the car telephone, now outlawed and switched off. The analogue TV set still works in the North or England but that will be defunct next year too after the digital switch over.
This was my thinking. It's all very well building it into the car, but when normal mortals buy it S/H in 5-10 years it's utterly useless.

I realise of course that Volvo doesn't give a monkeys, but the obsolescence irritates me.

Deerfoot

5,149 posts

206 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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Perd Hapley said:
Are built in sat navs still hilariously expensive compared to the just as good portables?
Yes, I think some of them are unable to accept a seven digit postcode as well.

bull996

1,442 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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I was poking around in my friends 1 month old E250 last weekend, the sat nav STILL didnt have 7 digit postcode entry!!!!!

You put 4 digits in and then had to choose the street and number etc.

crazy, when a £50 Tom Tom has had that functionality for years!

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th December 2011
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veevee said:
Emubiker said:
Comes standard in some Clios. A car you can buy for about £9,500 after discounts.
but the ones that come into clios are literally just a tom tom built into a pop-up bit the dashboard
That's not a bad idea though. My complaint with built in satnavs is that they cost a fortune and aren't even as good as a £100 TomTom.