Do Petrol Companies Rule the World
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Back during WWII when petrol was in short supply in South Africa, the sugar cane farmers in Natal, South Africa, modified their sugar mills to produce ethonol. This product was called Union Spirit and as it was 100 octane and had to be mixed with normal petrol for the old side valve engine prevalent in those days. You might say, so what. Well Union Spirit was being sold at half the price of petrol even in those days.
After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
Changedmyname said:
I remember my dad saying something about a guy in scotland invented a gadget that fitted on a normal car to which then run on water.
This was then squashed by opec or alike.
This was then squashed by opec or alike.
the real reason it never came to market was because they couldn't produce enough unicorn tears for the starting systemThey are part of a consortium to keep the public down in conjunction with the Priory of Sion, Bilderberg Group, a Cabal of Reverse Vampires and the Dept of No Fun from the New World Order.
They also stop the use of tights that do not ladder, a gene therapy to stop tooth decay and hover boards.
They also stop the use of tights that do not ladder, a gene therapy to stop tooth decay and hover boards.
Zeptepi said:
Back during WWII when petrol was in short supply in South Africa, the sugar cane farmers in Natal, South Africa, modified their sugar mills to produce ethonol. This product was called Union Spirit and as it was 100 octane and had to be mixed with normal petrol for the old side valve engine prevalent in those days. You might say, so what. Well Union Spirit was being sold at half the price of petrol even in those days.
After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
AFAIK, biofuels require lots of land, land that we need to produce food so there is a major conflict right there.After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
H2O conversion requires a lot of power, that usually offsets any gain.
Carfiend said:
They are part of a consortium to keep the public down in conjunction with the Priory of Sion, Bilderberg Group, a Cabal of Reverse Vampires and the Dept of No Fun from the New World Order.
They also stop the use of tights that do not ladder, a gene therapy to stop tooth decay and hover boards.
Well saidThey also stop the use of tights that do not ladder, a gene therapy to stop tooth decay and hover boards.
Zeptepi said:
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
My take on is this that it's bWhat is your take on this?
ks. It is thermodynamically impossible to break water apart and put it back together with useful net energy, because of losses you put in more useful energy than you get out.That is why these ideas go under ground, because they are full of s
t.Edited by Nick3point2 on Thursday 29th December 18:17
Zeptepi said:
Back during WWII when petrol was in short supply in South Africa, the sugar cane farmers in Natal, South Africa, modified their sugar mills to produce ethonol. This product was called Union Spirit and as it was 100 octane and had to be mixed with normal petrol for the old side valve engine prevalent in those days. You might say, so what. Well Union Spirit was being sold at half the price of petrol even in those days.
After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
Don't be so bloody stupid.After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
I used to be a fan of this sort of thinking, but if you follow it through logically, it just doesn't make sense.
The world is essentially greased by money. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is greedy, and will step on your grandma for a fiver. If there was a way of making cheap renewable energy which could be easily put to market for less than an internal combustion petrol engine, somebody would have invented and marketed it by now and would be making an absolute fortune as we all switched to this new form of propulsion.
IMHO, as soon as it becomes more profitable to manufacture/sell a vehicle powered by something other than petrol, all of these problems like infrastructure (hydrogen) or land (biofuel) will magically stop being important in the face of massive profits by whoever gets it to market first.
Just my 2p
The world is essentially greased by money. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is greedy, and will step on your grandma for a fiver. If there was a way of making cheap renewable energy which could be easily put to market for less than an internal combustion petrol engine, somebody would have invented and marketed it by now and would be making an absolute fortune as we all switched to this new form of propulsion.
IMHO, as soon as it becomes more profitable to manufacture/sell a vehicle powered by something other than petrol, all of these problems like infrastructure (hydrogen) or land (biofuel) will magically stop being important in the face of massive profits by whoever gets it to market first.
Just my 2p
Carfiend said:
They are part of a consortium to keep the public down in conjunction with the Priory of Sion, Bilderberg Group, a Cabal of Reverse Vampires and the Dept of No Fun from the New World Order.
They also stop the use of tights that do not ladder, a gene therapy to stop tooth decay and hover boards.
Nah, it's the stonecutters.They also stop the use of tights that do not ladder, a gene therapy to stop tooth decay and hover boards.
Zeptepi said:
Back during WWII when petrol was in short supply in South Africa, the sugar cane farmers in Natal, South Africa, modified their sugar mills to produce ethonol. This product was called Union Spirit and as it was 100 octane and had to be mixed with normal petrol for the old side valve engine prevalent in those days. You might say, so what. Well Union Spirit was being sold at half the price of petrol even in those days.
After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
After hostilities ceased and petrol was once again available, the S.A. government banned the production and sale of Union Spirit.
Some years ago, there was another move by the Natal farmers to go into production of ethanol, but once again, the government stepped in and said NO.
Apart from this, every now and so often some dude comes up with a vehicle that runs on water by converting the H20 into its component gas parts of hydrogen and oxygen that is a very explosive mixture. It is just the matrix that is required to generate the amount of gasses required for a combustion engine. These claims always seem to melt away as either the inventor gets paid well to keep his mouth shut or he is given a pair of cement boots and taken for a swim.
What is your take on this?
When do the kids go back to school?
Graebob said:
I used to be a fan of this sort of thinking, but if you follow it through logically, it just doesn't make sense.
The world is essentially greased by money. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is greedy, and will step on your grandma for a fiver. If there was a way of making cheap renewable energy which could be easily put to market for less than an internal combustion petrol engine, somebody would have invented and marketed it by now and would be making an absolute fortune as we all switched to this new form of propulsion.
IMHO, as soon as it becomes more profitable to manufacture/sell a vehicle powered by something other than petrol, all of these problems like infrastructure (hydrogen) or land (biofuel) will magically stop being important in the face of massive profits by whoever gets it to market first.
Just my 2p
+1 The world is essentially greased by money. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is greedy, and will step on your grandma for a fiver. If there was a way of making cheap renewable energy which could be easily put to market for less than an internal combustion petrol engine, somebody would have invented and marketed it by now and would be making an absolute fortune as we all switched to this new form of propulsion.
IMHO, as soon as it becomes more profitable to manufacture/sell a vehicle powered by something other than petrol, all of these problems like infrastructure (hydrogen) or land (biofuel) will magically stop being important in the face of massive profits by whoever gets it to market first.
Just my 2p
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