Should you always do an oil change...

Should you always do an oil change...

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Classic Grad 98

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24,781 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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...after cylinder head removal? Most people I speak to seem to think so, but the car isn't worth much and £30 for an oil change is probably 180 miles of petrol for this snotter. The oil was changed 2,000 miles before the gasket went rolleyes

People cite ingress of coolant and gasket dirt into the sump as an explanation, and also that since the engine has overheated the oil will have gotten too hot.

I'm hoping the answer is no, don't bother- I did the job myself and I'm unconvinced by the claims that the oil is fit only for the waste tank.

ETA: the gasket blew due to a thermostat failure and the car overheated once and was not continually used in this condition. Very little, if any, coolant was lost.

Edited by Classic Grad 98 on Thursday 5th January 14:35

jagnet

4,133 posts

204 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Glycol contamination of engine oil isn't good. Personally I would change it; you might be lucky and get away without but by the time you find out you haven't been, the engine will need more than a head gasket change.

WeirdNeville

5,984 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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I always would, yeah. As soon as the engine has been opened any number of contaminants, dust, crud, nasty dried on bits could be in the oil. That's neglecting the fact that if the head gasket has gone it is more than likely contaminated in the first place.

If it's a turbo than 100% yes, if it's anything else then just yes, you should IMO.

thiscocks

3,133 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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surley if you have done a whole head change then an oil change isnt much bother?

Special K

893 posts

161 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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What engine is it on OP ? Also if it went 2k miles after being done I would say you didn't rectify the cause of it going in the first place or something else is a miss with it. Should last a lot longer than that smile

Classic Grad 98

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24,781 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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thiscocks said:
surley if you have done a whole head change then an oil change isnt much bother?
The car belongs to an old friend who I have known for most of my life, so I did the work at no cost and he just paid parts. Came to £110. He is not well off so I'm having a hard time convincing him that a £30 oil change is worthwhile, after all I replaced the oil 10 weeks before the gasket went!

I had a feeling this would be the case. If it was my own car and my own money I'd do it for sure.

Also I've just remembered that my local 'Asda' had four litres of Castrol GTX at £10 a couple of weeks ago... worth a re-visit I reckon...

Classic Grad 98

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162 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Special K said:
What engine is it on OP ? Also if it went 2k miles after being done I would say you didn't rectify the cause of it going in the first place or something else is a miss with it. Should last a lot longer than that smile
1993 1043cc Polo. To clarify- the gasket hasn't failed twice, I was just saying I had done an oil change 2K miles previously...

mikezs

319 posts

175 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Asda £10 oil and a £5 filter from ebay!

Special K

893 posts

161 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Classic Grad 98 said:
Special K said:
What engine is it on OP ? Also if it went 2k miles after being done I would say you didn't rectify the cause of it going in the first place or something else is a miss with it. Should last a lot longer than that smile
1993 1043cc Polo. To clarify- the gasket hasn't failed twice, I was just saying I had done an oil change 2K miles previously...
Sorry, I miss read that.

You should really change the oil but you may get away with it depending on a few things. How did the gasket fail ?

Classic Grad 98

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24,781 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Classic Grad 98 said:
ETA: the gasket blew due to a thermostat failure and the car overheated once and was not continually used in this condition. Very little, if any, coolant was lost.

Edited by Classic Grad 98 on Thursday 5th January 14:35

crofty1984

15,934 posts

206 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Classic Grad 98 said:
1993 1043cc Polo. To clarify- the gasket hasn't failed twice, I was just saying I had done an oil change 2K miles previously...
Those engines are a bag of fking st.

Special K

893 posts

161 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Depending on how the gasket failed, I know you say it overheated but where on the gasket did it blow ? You may get away with it mixing water into the oil. Ideally you should change it but if it hasn't done this and your mate isn't going to run the car long then you could skimp on it. Not recommended but I have seen it done a lot of times by dodgy garages who have gotten away with it.

Classic Grad 98

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24,781 posts

162 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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crofty1984 said:
Classic Grad 98 said:
1993 1043cc Polo. To clarify- the gasket hasn't failed twice, I was just saying I had done an oil change 2K miles previously...
Those engines are a bag of fking st.
Really? I quite like it! What's your gripe?

o0myles0o

9,548 posts

173 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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4L of Castrol motor oil for a tenner in asda (well, it was at the weekend). Too cheap to take the risk of oil contamination in a re-HGed engine.

Dracoro

8,705 posts

247 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Let your mate know the cost of the oil/filter and the clearly outline the potential issues if he does not replace them.

Then let him make the decision whether or not to pay the extra £30 (or whatever it costs).

It's your mate's risk to take, not yours.

g3org3y

20,681 posts

193 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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o0myles0o said:
4L of Castrol motor oil for a tenner in asda (well, it was at the weekend). Too cheap to take the risk of oil contamination in a re-HGed engine.
Yep, regular Castrol GTX was a tenner. Unfortunately, my local ASDA only had 15w40 (needed 10w40)

steveo3002

10,559 posts

176 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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its a old tech low spec engine , supermarket oil of the correct grade will be be fine , no need to spend £30 on it

blearyeyedboy

6,346 posts

181 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Dracoro said:
Let your mate know the cost of the oil/filter and the clearly outline the potential issues if he does not replace them.

Then let him make the decision whether or not to pay the extra £30 (or whatever it costs).

It's your mate's risk to take, not yours.
+1. Although make sure it won't cost a bit less from Asda first, as mentioned above.

Patrick Bateman

12,217 posts

176 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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4 litres for £10?

What we talking about here exactly? Castrol Edge is £35 for 4 litres in Asda, then there's Magnatec cheaper still.

You sure it wasn't 1 litre for £10?

sherbert90

1,908 posts

154 months

Thursday 5th January 2012
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Patrick Bateman said:
4 litres for £10?

What we talking about here exactly? Castrol Edge is £35 for 4 litres in Asda, then there's Magnatec cheaper still.

You sure it wasn't 1 litre for £10?
I saw some 4 litre Castrol for £10 last night. Can't remember what grade it was though.

As above, let him make the decision, not really your problem.