RE: Detroit show: Dodge Charger Redline
RE: Detroit show: Dodge Charger Redline
Tuesday 10th January 2012

Detroit show: Dodge Charger Redline

Mopar-tweaked 590hp Charger shows of Dodge's wild side



The current Dodge Charger might not have quite the muscle-car cachet of its illustrious forebears, but you've got to appreciate the efforts Dodge has gone to in order to instil a full-size family saloon (sorry, we should say sedan) with a healthy dose of testosterone.


And the firm's Mopar tuning arm has gone several stages further at Detroit, creating the Dodge Charger Redline.

The Redline is actually an amalgamation of a three-stage kit: stage one is aero tweakery and natty 20-inch wheels (which don't seem overly massive on such a large car), stage two is a cat-back exhaust, a suspension brace and upgraded brake hoses, while stage three is where it really gets interesting.

Because stage three is a 590-horsepower 426cu in (7.0 litres in Euro-speak) Hemi V8 crate engine, the 'Elephant Motor'. For the engine spec obsessed among us, this involves (and we quote Dodge's press release so please forgive any Americanisms) "a stout, balanced lower reciprocating assembly that features a forged-steel crankshaft with six-bolt mains at two, three and four, and cross-bolted four-bolt mains at one and five. H-beam style rods are made from forged steel and coupled to forged 11:1 compression ratio aluminum pistons. Included is a revised windage tray to provide excellent oil dispersion and prevent oil aeration by the crankshaft.


"The Gen III High Output 426 HEMI engine's valvetrain starts with a more aggressive roller camshaft with .639 intake and .628 exhaust lift and cylinder heads that feature the latest designs for exceptional flow characteristics. To help stabilize the valvetrain at high engine rpm, tie bars are available.

"Mopar cast-aluminum valve covers and billet fuel rails are also included in the Dodge Charger Redline's Stage III performance kit."

Sounds brilliant. There's only one problem (well, two) - that super-cool four-poster bonnet (sorry, 'hood') is for demonstration purposes only, and that 590hp engine isn't actually road-legal. Shame.

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Craiglamuffin

Original Poster:

359 posts

209 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Cor!

School boy

1,006 posts

240 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Does that mean you have to spec 'tie bars' as an option? Even though it won't be made?

CatScan

214 posts

178 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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If it's not road legal, it ain't exactly a track car either, is it? One for the amateur drag racers I suppose...

JoeFrost

1,548 posts

215 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Not road legal? Why not? Kinda defeats the point of putting it in a road car if so, non?

will261058

1,115 posts

221 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Not sure I could live with the styling detail on this one. Why is there something that looks like an air vent on the front door instead of on the wing behind the front wheel?

DaveH23

3,355 posts

199 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Road legal in america or the UK?

Srry for the dim question but how can an engine not be road legal? I can understand the car itself for not meeting MOT regs etc but the engine?

Explanation anybody?

LuS1fer

43,507 posts

274 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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The door detail is a traditional R/T cue as is that hood which I've seen on a classic Mopar somewhere before.

For those who want something that looks good, they do make the Charger Blacktop (ah, they do have the best names don't they?)


http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2012-dodge-charger-...

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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DaveH23 said:
Road legal in america or the UK?

Srry for the dim question but how can an engine not be road legal? I can understand the car itself for not meeting MOT regs etc but the engine?

Explanation anybody?
If it doesn't meet emissions specs then no, it won't be road legal.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Krikkit said:
DaveH23 said:
Road legal in america or the UK?

Srry for the dim question but how can an engine not be road legal? I can understand the car itself for not meeting MOT regs etc but the engine?

Explanation anybody?
If it doesn't meet emissions specs then no, it won't be road legal.
Or noise.

soad

34,652 posts

205 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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will261058 said:
Not sure I could live with the styling detail on this one.
True. Could live with the performance though biggrin

Cotty

42,226 posts

313 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Another one not a fan of the styling

gmh23

252 posts

209 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Cotty said:
Another one not a fan of the styling
+1, the modern Charger does nothing for me, looks no-where near as good as the old one.

That engine in a Challenger however......

BMWill

447 posts

208 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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God bless Dodge and the American philosophy of no replacement for displacement...

It's 2012 and they're still proposing massive NA V8 engines...
not this crappy 3 cylinder 0.5l diesel hybrid BS that europeans are turning out. the euroboxes are proliferating and thanks to these folk there may still be hope for motorists.

= )

Dave Hedgehog

16,326 posts

233 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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bonnet by ikea wink

Marquis Rex

7,377 posts

268 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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While BMW are now making down size boosted 4 cylinder snore mobiles and other European manufacturers will no doubt follow BMWs lead, I have to commend Chrysler gropus efforts.
The other issue with alot of modern German cars is that they are deliberately designed to have steering that feels slightly dead around the straight head driving- known in the industry as "low off centre gain"- for reasons of high speed stability.

The Chargers steering is superb (even though it is electrically assisted) as is it's ride/handling compromise

I also think the latest Chargers styling has really come of age -sorting out the messy rear quarters. Bold and American looking rather than the terribly bland rivals (albeit worthy) of Ford Taurus and Chevy Impalas

nicknoo

46 posts

195 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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It's homage to the original '69 Dodge SuperBee with A12 package

http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewCarPic=y&sou...

LuS1fer said:
The door detail is a traditional R/T cue as is that hood which I've seen on a classic Mopar somewhere before.

Defconluke

320 posts

183 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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When BMW & Mercedes will happily sell you a 550+hp, road legal, V8 powered saloon car this doesn't seem so 'wild'.

If they wanted to show their wild side then let the designers make a Charger Daytona that has more in common with 1969 version than the badged up version from the previous generation Charger.

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

302 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Not sure about the aero on the bonnet - also hard to spot cops on motorway bridges....

LuS1fer

43,507 posts

274 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Defconluke said:
When BMW & Mercedes will happily sell you a 550+hp, road legal, V8 powered saloon car this doesn't seem so 'wild'.

If they wanted to show their wild side then let the designers make a Charger Daytona that has more in common with 1969 version than the badged up version from the previous generation Charger.
Well (1) the Charger is a Mercedes underneath (2) they won't charge you £100k for their power and (3) while I agree the original modern Charger was a bit of a damp squib in terms of styling, I applaud Dodge for restyling this into more of a tribute to the original Charger and bring it in line with the Challenger retro style. Sure, it has 4 doors but if it had two, it would limit it's already limited market and the Challenger already has that market.

It's also going to be a lot faster and handle better thasn an original Charger for which some thick rose-tinted specs might be appropriate for some people.

You might just as well bh at BMW for losing their entire direction when it comes to heavy M cars and diesels where smooth sixes used to reside. Times change. Luckily for us, the Americans love to raise two fingers as well as vaunt their rich automotive history. I'm more than happy for the Europeans to take things "forward" with low emissions, less cylinders, turbos and blobby styling but thank god there is still a corner of the world that isn't Euro-land.

People might be less critical if they'd called it the Dodge Polara. I'd buy one for the right price assuming the UK government didn't want to tear out my wallet for the VEL.

To address a post made after this, the "event" is that it's still a V8 but with more retro styling, not a corporate nose.

Edited by LuS1fer on Tuesday 10th January 16:23

Steve_W

1,570 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th January 2012
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Hang on a mo - wherez the Spellin Poleec:

"..Charger shows of Dodge's wild side"

of??