VW or Audi diesel?
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Lippyx

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52 posts

179 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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OK, the time has come to get a diesel. I have gone from doing 5 miles a day to work to 40 miles a day, and the Golf I have now is guzzling the petrol!

So, I have seen a VW golf GT TDi 170 bhp, with 60k on the clock, leather, 17in alloys, full service history, 1 owner for £8900 but my partner has seen an Audi A3 sportback, 170 bhp, S Line Quattro, leather, full service history, 74k on the clock and 3 owners for £8500. I love Golfs, but the Audi does look awesome.

Which one? I know its all about how it drives etc, but which one would you prefer??

sleep envy

62,260 posts

269 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Out of those two I'd say vw, the ride on that spec a3 is too harsh on the correct tyres (you can fit the bmw spec tyres to soften it a little - the audi ones are heavy load so have a stiffer sidewall)

Fish981

1,441 posts

205 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Lippyx said:
OK, the time has come to get a diesel. I have gone from doing 5 miles a day to work to 40 miles a day, and the Golf I have now is guzzling the petrol!

So, I have seen a VW golf GT TDi 170 bhp, with 60k on the clock, leather, 17in alloys, full service history, 1 owner for £8900 but my partner has seen an Audi A3 sportback, 170 bhp, S Line Quattro, leather, full service history, 74k on the clock and 3 owners for £8500. I love Golfs, but the Audi does look awesome.

Which one? I know its all about how it drives etc, but which one would you prefer??
Keep the original Golf and spend the £9000 on 45000 miles of petrol?

y2blade

56,251 posts

235 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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We know the average PHers views on Diesels rolleyes

I'd say try to get a decent drive of couple and see what YOU think of them....I love mine smile

rllmuk

145 posts

177 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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If you can stretch to it get a car with the CR170 (Common Rail) over the PD170 (Pumpe Düse) as it has various issues with injectors & DPF.

Jasandjules

71,687 posts

249 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Drive them both back to back if you can, then choose the one you like the most.

blueg33

43,785 posts

244 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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sleep envy said:
Out of those two I'd say vw, the ride on that spec a3 is too harsh on the correct tyres (you can fit the bmw spec tyres to soften it a little - the audi ones are heavy load so have a stiffer sidewall)
Just a question. Is it sensible to advise someone to change tyres to a load rating that is not recommended by the manufacturer? I am sure insurers wouldn't be happy.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

269 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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blueg33 said:
Just a question. Is it sensible to advise someone to change tyres to a load rating that is not recommended by the manufacturer? I am sure insurers wouldn't be happy.
I've changed tyre sizes on a car that has been subsequently written off, the assessor didn't even bother checking them - went from 185/55/15 to 195/50/15

blueg33

43,785 posts

244 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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sleep envy said:
I've changed tyre sizes on a car that has been subsequently written off, the assessor didn't even bother checking them - went from 185/55/15 to 195/50/15
Was that a tyre size that the manufacturer use on that car?

When I had my crash in the G33 a couple of years ago the assessor checked the tyre size. They were not OEM (size and speed rating impossible to obtain), but I had advised insurers and all was well.

If you don't advise insurers its a gamble

sleep envy

62,260 posts

269 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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blueg33 said:
Was that a tyre size that the manufacturer use on that car?

When I had my crash in the G33 a couple of years ago the assessor checked the tyre size. They were not OEM (size and speed rating impossible to obtain), but I had advised insurers and all was well.

If you don't advise insurers its a gamble
nope - the manufacture's size was just 185/55

we aren't talking about a tyre size change, just a load change from 94 to 91 which is hardly a massive change

harryowl

1,114 posts

201 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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get the equivalent skoda and save a few grand? (and spend that on an mx5 smile)

blueg33

43,785 posts

244 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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IMO load index is at least as important as size, otherwise why have it?

Anyway what you do is up to you, I just don't think its wise advice. So we will have to agree to differ, but I give you this below.

Road Vehicle Construction and Use Regulations said:
Regulation 25

Unsuitability

All tyres must have a service description (i.e. load and speed index)

If the vehicle was to operate outside the service description indicated on the sidewall e.g. at a higher speed or overloaded then the tyres would be deemed to be unsuitable for the use, and a prosecution would follow.
Tyre Safe said:
Most car and van tyres used in the UK have both a load and speed rating after the tyre size, e.g. 195/65R15 is usually followed by 91V. This means the tyres can carry a load of 615 kgs upto a maximum speed of 149 mph. When replacing tyres it is important to ensure the new tyres, even if a different size, have the same or a higher load rating. It is normal for the combined load of the 4 tyres to exceed the maximum weight of the vehicle by about 20 to 25% to allow for uneven load distribution or excessive loads when cornering or braking. The table below shows the conversion from the LI number to the capacity in kilograms.
If the Audi is heavier than the BMW that would account for the higher load index.

Can't see the point in taking risks with the only part of the car that keeps you in touch with the road!

Sorry OP to veer off topic


Edited by blueg33 on Friday 20th January 08:57


Edited by blueg33 on Friday 20th January 09:30

Efbe

9,251 posts

186 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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OP> looks like you are going to be falling asleep whilst going into work whichever you choose smile

surely there are far cheaper options that will depreciate less and eturn the same mpg.
if economy is your main concern then you are spending too much for the distance you will be travelling into work.

y2blade

56,251 posts

235 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Efbe said:
OP> looks like you are going to be falling asleep whilst going into work whichever you choose smile
rolleyes

robmlufc

5,229 posts

206 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Skoda Fabia VRS? £7k 40k miles.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

269 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Christ!

Read your quote - can carry a load of 615kg up to a speed of xxmph

Just don't eexceed the load rating, you won't die

sinizter

3,348 posts

206 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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For me, the A3 any day.

The interior is vastly better. And the exterior better too.

IMO. I am aware that underneath they are the same car. But having an Audi and having test driven an equivalent Golf and A3 back to back - there is no way I would be in the Golf. This was further re-inforced by having to drive from Norwich to Glasgow in a Golf.

blueg33

43,785 posts

244 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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sleep envy said:
Christ!

Read your quote - can carry a load of 615kg up to a speed of xxmph

Just don't eexceed the load rating, you won't die
I never said anyone would die. My point was, manufacturers don't suggest load ratings on a whim and insurers should be advised of a change in tyre spec from manufacturers recommendations

Hudson

1,857 posts

207 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Get a Mondeo, spend the money saved on something fun?


vrsmxtb

2,003 posts

176 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Fish981 said:
Keep the original Golf and spend the £9000 on 45000 miles of petrol?
This? But I'm assuming you're treating it as an excuse to get a new car! I know I probably would...