Buying a land rover from Republic of Ireland? questions

[welshsurferdude]

Hi there

I have been looking for a LR defender TD5for a while and I have found defenders are on the whole quite a bit cheaper in ROI than they are in the UK, so before I fly over to look at a couple.

What do I need to look for on the Irish version of the V5c etc?

And I know I have to pay £55ish to register them in the UK with the DVLA along with MOT and TAX, im wondering what the order is to do things is first? Ill be ensuring I get a receipt off seller and what not. Im guessing I need to go to the local office.

Lastly is there any requirement to pay any tax to gubberment to bring a used land rover into the UK?

Many thanks
Kenny

[smugglersvin]

Leprechauns hiding in the boot they are bugger to get rid of.

[clarkey]

It's easy. You'll need to insure it in the UK using the VIN (this is the hardest bit), MOT it, then apply for first registration at your local DVLA office. There is no duty or VAT to pay as that had already been done elsewhere in the EU. You'll get it all done in one day if you have a handy DVLA office.
Can't help with the Irish equivalent of a V5 though!

[Vladimir]

They make a great surf mobile!



Shame ours was rather too unreliable. Get it checked over VERY thoroughly - what it's been used for is more important than mileage. As we found out to our cost with ours....

[godskitchen]

Watch out for clocked cars, It seems to be a past time here to clock cars. From my experience at least 50% of used cars over a certain age here have been clocked.

Also before you fly over and go to any expense make sure you check out the service history. Many adverts list the car as having a FSH but when you get there and ask to see it you get told "arh sure dont I do all the servicing myself" If you then ask to see receipts for service items you get blank/caught in the headlights looks.

Stamps in the service book are pretty rare in cars of 7+ years. Service books pretty much dont exist in cars 10+ years old.

Also watch out for where the car is located, the roads in the West are some of the worst in Europe. I laugh when people in the UK complain about UK roads, if only they had to experience the roads we drive on they would know how lucky they were.

It is rare to hear of (in fact I never have) a car being exported from Ireland to the UK. We get plenty of cars first registered in the UK imported, it could be as high as 20% maybe higher.

What is the price difference between the two countries for the models you are looking at and where are they located?

[SuperHangOn]

The ferry costs a few quid too.

Have a look at Brightwells auction, in Leominster so not a million miles from you. They sell car whole car parks full of landy's every week.

[D_G]

clarkey said:

It's easy. You'll need to insure it in the UK using the VIN (this is the hardest bit), MOT it, then apply for first registration at your local DVLA office. There is no duty or VAT to pay as that had already been done elsewhere in the EU. You'll get it all done in one day if you have a handy DVLA office.
Can't help with the Irish equivalent of a V5 though!

Not quite. You will need a COC from Landrover and then apply for a Mutual Recognition Certificate from the VCA. Only then can you go to the DVLA with the other paperwork (VAT 414 / V55/5 / MOT / Reg doc etc) and it won't be done in one day, usually takes a few as among other things an interpol check is usually done. Don't forget the speedo will also need to be converted into MPH if after 2004.

[Noesph]

Dad done it many years ago (both ways actually), Had to register it here and had to get a mot (this was before the NCT came in. I think that was about it.

Mine you, the roads do seem to be getting better in Ireland everytime I go there, while the roads in the uk keep getting worse.

[wolfy1988]

Where about in Ireland?

I live in Dublin if you would like me to have a good snoop at one for you?

What exactly do you want to know about thew Irish V5?

J

Edited by wolfy1988 on Tuesday 24th January 19:48

[cptsideways]

Any diesel make a point of opening the diesel filter drain cock & see what comes out, its should be clear

I'm sure someone more local can explain but they have VRT, which is a henious road tax regime that makes big things expensive, hence the desire to rid. What is the ROI equivelant of an Hpi check?

[750turbo]

godskitchen said:

Watch out for clocked cars, It seems to be a past time here to clock cars. From my experience at least 50% of used cars over a certain age here have been clocked.

Also before you fly over and go to any expense make sure you check out the service history. Many adverts list the car as having a FSH but when you get there and ask to see it you get told "arh sure dont I do all the servicing myself" If you then ask to see receipts for service items you get blank/caught in the headlights looks.

Stamps in the service book are pretty rare in cars of 7+ years. Service books pretty much dont exist in cars 10+ years old.

Also watch out for where the car is located, the roads in the West are some of the worst in Europe. I laugh when people in the UK complain about UK roads, if only they had to experience the roads we drive on they would know how lucky they were.

It is rare to hear of (in fact I never have) a car being exported from Ireland to the UK. We get plenty of cars first registered in the UK imported, it could be as high as 20% maybe higher.

What is the price difference between the two countries for the models you are looking at and where are they located?

For a 1st post sir, that is superb!

What else do you have to offer?

[godskitchen]

cptsideways said:

Any diesel make a point of opening the diesel filter drain cock & see what comes out, its should be clear

I'm sure someone more local can explain but they have VRT, which is a henious road tax regime that makes big things expensive, hence the desire to rid. What is the ROI equivelant of an Hpi check?

If its a Defender, chances are its a commercial vehicle. The wording "Commercial" can be misleading or misunderstood by people not familiar with the system we have here. It means it will be in a Tax band much lower than "Private" vehicles. A Defender should cost €310/year to tax. If it was in the private class it would be €1005/year. This is regardless of age or value. Very few Defenders are in the private class here. If any.

There are some limitations to having a vehicle in the "Commercial" class. You must remove any rear seats (If converting a "Private" to "Commercial") and belts and have it in such a way that they can not be put back in again in the future. This usually involves welding of the seatbelt points and welding of the floor with a flat sheet of metal.

As I said before, most Defenders are already set up to be commercial so a high tax rate will not be the reason for the lower sale price than the UK.

Cars like a pre 2008 (New tax system was introduced in 2008 that taxed on emissions rather than engine size) BMW e46 330D or e60 or e39 530D can be purchased here for next to nothing. Very few people want to buy a car that they have to pay €1390/year in tax. If someone can afford to pay nearly €1.5k in tax per year they are going to be able to afford a newer car.


As for HPI, you can do an AA Car check, if the car is over 10 years old it is €25. It gives all the normal stuff and if the car has been imported it will also give you that info. It save me from buying a clocked and CAT D e46 330d that had been imported. It was CAT D in the UK and it all came up on the report.

Edited by godskitchen on Tuesday 24th January 20:56

Edited by godskitchen on Tuesday 24th January 20:58

[godskitchen]

cptsideways said:

Any diesel make a point of opening the diesel filter drain cock & see what comes out, its should be clear

I'm sure someone more local can explain but they have VRT, which is a henious road tax regime that makes big things expensive, hence the desire to rid. What is the ROI equivelant of an Hpi check?

If its a Defender, chances are its a commercial vehicle. The wording "Commercial" can be misleading or misunderstood by people not familiar with the system we have here. It means it will be in a Tax band much lower than "Private" vehicles. A Defender should cost €310/year to tax. If it was in the private class it would be €1005/year. This is regardless of age or value. Very few Defenders are in the private class here. If any.

There are some limitations to having a vehicle in the "Commercial" class. You must remove any rear seats (If converting a "Private" to "Commercial") and belts and have it in such a way that they can not be put back in again in the future. This usually involves welding of the seatbelt points and welding of the floor with a flat sheet of metal.

As I said before, most Defenders are already set up to be commercial so a high tax rate will not be the reason for the lower sale price than the UK.

Cars like a pre 2008 (New tax system was introduced in 2008 that taxed on emissions rather than engine size) BMW e46 330D or e60 or e39 530D can be purchased here for next to nothing. Very few people want to buy a car that they have to pay €1390/year on in tax. If someone can afford to pay nearly €1.5k in tax per year they are going to be able to afford a newer car in the newer tax bands.


As for HPI, you can do an AA Car check, if the car is over 10 years old it is €25. It gives all the normal stuff and if the car has been imported it will also give you that info. It save me from buying a clocked and CAT D e46 330d that had been imported. It was CAT D in the UK and it all came up on the report.

Edited by godskitchen on Tuesday 24th January 20:56

Edited by godskitchen on Tuesday 24th January 20:59

[welshsurferdude]

Hi there

thanks for your replies!

The defenders im looking at are a 2003 td5 90 in black and a 2005 utility station wagon in epson green, both are very well kitted out with BFG tyres, winches, roll cage, spot lights etc with very low miles.

110 is on 79k for £8,500, equivelent in UK would cost well north of £14,000

90 is on 64k for £7000, equivelent in UK would cost in excess of £11,000

I know land rovers very well as ive owned defenders for a number of years but ive never bought from ROI nor have I heard of anyone doing so! the savings are quite significent in ROI! Im not that concerned about clocking etc or hidden Cat C or D as its all on condition.


Im more concerned on whether I have to pay Import tax and VAT for a private sale when I try to register it from its irish plates to UK ones?

[cptsideways]

The vat element may be worth checking on as they are commercial & may come under the "vat qualifying" vehicle sales regime, (as most commercials do) in which case the sellers should be selling them with vat? I think.


Other than that there is no duty to pay, just the £56 fee at DVLA & the RFL to pay

[godskitchen]

welshsurferdude said:

Hi there

thanks for your replies!

The defenders im looking at are a 2003 td5 90 in black and a 2005 utility station wagon in epson green, both are very well kitted out with BFG tyres, winches, roll cage, spot lights etc with very low miles.

110 is on 79k for £8,500, equivelent in UK would cost well north of £14,000

90 is on 64k for £7000, equivelent in UK would cost in excess of £11,000

I know land rovers very well as ive owned defenders for a number of years but ive never bought from ROI nor have I heard of anyone doing so! the savings are quite significent in ROI! Im not that concerned about clocking etc or hidden Cat C or D as its all on condition.


Im more concerned on whether I have to pay Import tax and VAT for a private sale when I try to register it from its irish plates to UK ones?

Do you have links to the 2 you are looking at?

I would be suspicious of those indicated milages, based on experience of the used car market here. It's not unheard of to knock 100k off the clock.

People here buy on mileage, service history and condition are secondary, which is why clocking is so wide spread.

If you have not already, have a look on donedeal.ie for Defenders.

[welshsurferdude]

Im not concerned bout mileage as im buying on condition not mileage.

[welshsurferdude]

The ones im buying dont seem to have any vat on them, they are commercial 110 and 90's tho. the 110 has 5 doors but a van style rear at the very back so easily converted to station wagon. 90 is a hard top but again easily converted to station wagon.

Neither ad mentions any VAT so im assuming its already in the price.

Ones in Wexford and the other is in Tipppernary so a bit far from dublin im presuming!!!!

[vdubbin]

We have PHer's in both locations, some with LR's of their own, might be worth posting in the Ireland section, if you'd someone to take a look before you fly over?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&a...

[epom]

Vehicle spec is the main thing to look out for here, generally the specs tend to be of the most basic standard compared even to the UK. Surprise also that something is actually cheaper here