Secrets to DERV Longevity
Secrets to DERV Longevity
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Classic Grad 98

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26,132 posts

183 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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Yes, another diesel thread. If you don't like it, there's a 'back' button at the top of your browser...

DERV drivers/fleet operators: What do you believe you can do in terms of maintanance, tricks of the trade, driving styles etc to get the best service life out of a modern turbo-diesel, common rail, DMF-equipped engine? I ask because mine is approaching the age where it should probably start throwing up big bills. I'm talking specifically about the powertrain here. My car is a 2003 Mondeo TDCI, is approaching 130,000 miles and is used for 14k miles a year, 3k of which towing a 900kg trailer.

I already:
-use a single source of fuel (shell)
-avoid labouring in high gears and usually keep revs above 1,500RPM
-regularly give it an Italian tune-up to clear out particulates
-service the engine at recommended intervals or shorter
-blanked off EGR valve to stop particulates getting into inlet
-pause briefly at the end of the journey before switching off the engine
-pre-heat the engine twice on cold days
-start and stop the engine with the clutch depressed

What else could I be doing? I plan to run the car into the ground but would like to prolong it's useful life as far as possible. The way I see it, Injectors, fuel pumps, the turbo and the DMF are all things that might just be expensive enough to write it off.

CHIEF

2,270 posts

305 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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Jesus not another diesel thread rolleyesbiggrin

Seriously though, if what you say is true thats some handy tips there mate.


StottyZr

6,860 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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What do you mean by "pre-heat the engine twice on cold days"?

StottyZr

6,860 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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doogz said:
Why do you start it with the clutch pedal pressed? What does that do?
Very slightly less resistance for the engine when starting?

lost in espace

6,478 posts

230 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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doogz said:
Why do you start it with the clutch pedal pressed? What does that do?
Disengage the gearbox clutch and flywheel hence reducing drag, and making starting easier on the engine. And if your wife left it in gear you will not drive straight through the garage wall.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

278 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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doogz said:
Why do you start it with the clutch pedal pressed? What does that do?
Absolutely nothing whatsoever, but people have some very bizarre ideas. I know someone that is convinced you should never use reverse gear with a cold engine as it wears out the gearbox. Barking.

stropley

357 posts

187 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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StottyZr said:
What do you mean by "pre-heat the engine twice on cold days"?
I presume ignition on . . . wait till glow plug light goes out . . . ignition off & repeat before starting engine. I do this too on a cold morning like today, read somewhere that it helps starting.

wolf1

3,091 posts

273 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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The glow plugs continue to heat up after the light on the dash has gone out so no need to do it more than once unless the glow plugs are faulty.

Mr2Mike

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278 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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lost in espace said:
Disengage the gearbox clutch and flywheel hence reducing drag, and making starting easier on the engine.
And putting lots of pressure onto the crank thrusts. The increase in frictional losses from this almost certainly outweigh any drag from the gearbox (which is absolutely minuscule at cranking speeds). It also doesn't explain why you would do this when shutting the engine off.

OP, have you tried parking you car on a Ley line, and putting a small pyramid on top of the engine?

jbswagger

957 posts

224 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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doogz said:
Could be i guess.

I've always been told not to do that, pressing the clutch pedal puts a small amount of pressure onto the flywheel, and when you then turn over the engine, the bearings that have been say, not coated in oil, that are currently dry, can spin on their pins due to the crank adjacent to the pin bearing on the end of the con rod.

I've not described that very well, but do you get what i mean?
My Volvo S40 will not even turn over without pressing the clutch pedal. It has a 'safety' interlock.

wolf1

3,091 posts

273 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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jbswagger said:
My Volvo S40 will not even turn over without pressing the clutch pedal. It has a 'safety' interlock.
That's to stop idiots starting them in gear.

Steve_W

1,567 posts

200 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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lost in espace said:
Disengage the gearbox clutch and flywheel hence reducing drag, and making starting easier on the engine. And if your wife left it in gear you will not drive straight through the garage wall.
It actually says to do this (on very cold days) in our Land Rover's handbook.

Depress the clutch pedal that is - not drive through the wall! smile

Noesph

1,174 posts

172 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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Steve_W said:
It actually says to do this (on very cold days) in our Land Rover's handbook.

Depress the clutch pedal that is - not drive through the wall! smile
says the same in peugeot handbooks

I guess it puts less strain on the starter motor as it hasn't got the gearbox to turn.

Classic Grad 98

Original Poster:

26,132 posts

183 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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re: the clutch when starting/stopping- It probably makes no difference. It's a habit I picked up whe I worked at a body shop and was moving 100+ cars a day, some of which were left in gear etc... I have continued to do it because it somehow 'feels' more sympathetic than having the gearbox input shaft dealing with the jarring action of the cold, high compression engine overcoming it's compression on each stroke and the abrupt delivery of torque when it fires.
This thread is going to be a very subjective discussion, and some ideas are going to be old wife's tales etc... I just want to hear what ideas everyone else has.
pre-heating twice- yes, the car continues to pre-heat after the light is off, but I'm convinced that the car settles to a smooth idle faster if I do it twice on cold days.

Classic Grad 98

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26,132 posts

183 months

Friday 3rd February 2012
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Any more ideas anyone?