X manufacturers engine in Y manufacturers car
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Speaking with a mate yesterday & he's in the lovely position of buying himself an old rally car to have some weekend fun in, his wespon of choice? The mkII escort of course!
So showing me some pictures I had a look at the engine, cue "what's that?" from me, "a vauxhall twin cam" was the answer.
Apparently they do this quite often, I just though I couldn't handle that! Maybe it's my OCD, things must match!!
I've got another mate who built a Toyota supra engined BMW Z3M coupe, I've got to admire the engineering skill that goes into making it all work but it would just freak me out in a way that I'm not sure is normal
So showing me some pictures I had a look at the engine, cue "what's that?" from me, "a vauxhall twin cam" was the answer.
Apparently they do this quite often, I just though I couldn't handle that! Maybe it's my OCD, things must match!!
I've got another mate who built a Toyota supra engined BMW Z3M coupe, I've got to admire the engineering skill that goes into making it all work but it would just freak me out in a way that I'm not sure is normal
You can buy fitting kits that allow you to fit the C20XE into Escorts, even an exhaust manifold.
I agree with what you're saying, but if you're that way inclined, a different maker's engine in a car is not *that* difficult. It's more about the facilities and the time available.
Also to make engines work, especially '90s injection engines, it can be as little as 4-6 wires.
I'm not taking anything away from anyone's creations BTW, just saying that once you get stuck in, it's not as scary as you might think.
I agree with what you're saying, but if you're that way inclined, a different maker's engine in a car is not *that* difficult. It's more about the facilities and the time available.
Also to make engines work, especially '90s injection engines, it can be as little as 4-6 wires.
I'm not taking anything away from anyone's creations BTW, just saying that once you get stuck in, it's not as scary as you might think.
Classic Grad 98 said:
I know what you mean, whenever I'm masterminding an engine conversion which will probably never happen, I restrict myself to the same manufacturer or at the very least the same era and country!
When I see examples of Jaguar V12s being ripped out and replaced with American small block V8s it makes me very upset. It's just wrong on so many fronts.0a said:
Okay a standard car. I looked under the bonnet of the old 1.9 tdi Galaxy of an uncle (maybe a poke would get it going) and it was Audi badged- I assume it used the Sharan VAG tdi unit.
The Ford Galaxy, Seat Alhambra and VW Sharan was all the same car made in the same factory with the same engines just a few differences.It is quite common to find the Vauxhall XE engine in MKII's among the rallying fraternity. They have always been easier and cheaper to tune than the Zetec and Duratec engines. There are also a few Honda S2000 engined MKII's.
Though I think the MSA (The UK motorsport governing body) are now making it difficult to build a rally prepared car with a different marque of engine, motorsport is still a great boiling pot for innovative ideas even at club level.
Though I think the MSA (The UK motorsport governing body) are now making it difficult to build a rally prepared car with a different marque of engine, motorsport is still a great boiling pot for innovative ideas even at club level.
jagnet said:
Classic Grad 98 said:
I know what you mean, whenever I'm masterminding an engine conversion which will probably never happen, I restrict myself to the same manufacturer or at the very least the same era and country!
When I see examples of Jaguar V12s being ripped out and replaced with American small block V8s it makes me very upset. It's just wrong on so many fronts.The Alfa Romeo Arna or Nissan Cherry Europe as it was also called is a classic example of this - and a bad one at that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Arna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Arna
I'm personally with the OP on this one.
I worked with a Californian who's fitting a Nissan S14 engine into a classic Porsche 914. An inline 4! He says it combines Porsche engineering with legendary Japanese reliability. I say it combines German engineering with American stupidity and bad taste. Besides, a Nissan isn't THAT reliable.
Another one:
http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/2771283903.html
My wifes favourite car is the classic Jaguar XJ series, especially the XJC. Very rare to find the coupe over here. This one has zero rust with immaculate interior but....as with most of these here, see the engine?
It's no doubt an American cast iron pushrod piece of over rated small block Chevy s
t complete with uncouth burble where the Jaguar whispery rumble should go.
At this price though, you could buy it and refit the later Denso fuel injected 6 litre V12 out of an X300
I worked with a Californian who's fitting a Nissan S14 engine into a classic Porsche 914. An inline 4! He says it combines Porsche engineering with legendary Japanese reliability. I say it combines German engineering with American stupidity and bad taste. Besides, a Nissan isn't THAT reliable.
Another one:
http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/2771283903.html
My wifes favourite car is the classic Jaguar XJ series, especially the XJC. Very rare to find the coupe over here. This one has zero rust with immaculate interior but....as with most of these here, see the engine?
It's no doubt an American cast iron pushrod piece of over rated small block Chevy s
t complete with uncouth burble where the Jaguar whispery rumble should go.At this price though, you could buy it and refit the later Denso fuel injected 6 litre V12 out of an X300
Classic Grad 98 said:
...However, there are good examples- like Lotus engines in fast fords, cosworth engines in Mercedes Benz etc
not so good examples...Lotus engine as you put it is a re-worked Ford engine with a new head on it, so strictly speaking, it's not a 'Lotus' engine.
the Cosworth 190 Merc engine was once again, a Merc engine re-worked by Cosworth, it was not a ground-up Cosworth engine.
These days there are very few 'new' engines, most are re-works of earlier ones, there are also less places that actually do engine design work.
jagnet said:
Classic Grad 98 said:
I know what you mean, whenever I'm masterminding an engine conversion which will probably never happen, I restrict myself to the same manufacturer or at the very least the same era and country!
When I see examples of Jaguar V12s being ripped out and replaced with American small block V8s it makes me very upset. It's just wrong on so many fronts.My Stag has it's original Triumph engine, which tells you everything you need to know about my feelings on the subject. If any car needs an engine swap it's that!
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