Witnessed an "accident"..
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Was on the usual depressing morning commute from across the Pennines today and I witnessed the probably the most unbelievable thing I have seen in 12 years of driving.
I'm travelling anti-clockwise on the M60, just coming past junction 14 at about 7.30ish - I am in lane 3 and an HGV is along side me in lane 2. It's a right mess of lanes coming on there and a woman in a small car (I think it was something like a Cinquecento) trying to come into lane 2 in front of the lorry. The lorry is not too happy about this and closes the gap, she continues indicating and then as the car in front of the lorry pulls away a bit she goes for it. She squeezes into a small gap.
The HGV driver then accelerates, I thought he was being a prick and just getting up her arse to scare her a bit... he keeps accelerated straight into the back of her car, pulls back again, accelerates again and boom, hits her a second time.
I could not believe what I was seeing, road was incredibly busy (as it is at that time) and I can see she is looking to pull over.. HGV really slows down and she starts to migrate across to lane 1 and eventually stops.
Whilst all this is going on I'm thinking do I stop? WTF? By the time I safely get across to lane 1 I'm probably half a mile ahead of where she was.. I think I saw the lorry stopping but not sure.
I go past junction 13 and I'm just too far to stop and safely get back to where she is.
I reported it to the police when I got to my destination and they said they had received an accident report but the woman thought she had skidded on ice... took my details asked if I was prepared to be contacted and of course I said yes.
I'm furious with myself for not stopping but it was just a nightmare to get across given how busy it was without causing an accident.
It was absolutely clear the HGV driver deliberately drove into the back of her. I can't believe someone would do that.
I'm travelling anti-clockwise on the M60, just coming past junction 14 at about 7.30ish - I am in lane 3 and an HGV is along side me in lane 2. It's a right mess of lanes coming on there and a woman in a small car (I think it was something like a Cinquecento) trying to come into lane 2 in front of the lorry. The lorry is not too happy about this and closes the gap, she continues indicating and then as the car in front of the lorry pulls away a bit she goes for it. She squeezes into a small gap.
The HGV driver then accelerates, I thought he was being a prick and just getting up her arse to scare her a bit... he keeps accelerated straight into the back of her car, pulls back again, accelerates again and boom, hits her a second time.
I could not believe what I was seeing, road was incredibly busy (as it is at that time) and I can see she is looking to pull over.. HGV really slows down and she starts to migrate across to lane 1 and eventually stops.
Whilst all this is going on I'm thinking do I stop? WTF? By the time I safely get across to lane 1 I'm probably half a mile ahead of where she was.. I think I saw the lorry stopping but not sure.
I go past junction 13 and I'm just too far to stop and safely get back to where she is.
I reported it to the police when I got to my destination and they said they had received an accident report but the woman thought she had skidded on ice... took my details asked if I was prepared to be contacted and of course I said yes.
I'm furious with myself for not stopping but it was just a nightmare to get across given how busy it was without causing an accident.
It was absolutely clear the HGV driver deliberately drove into the back of her. I can't believe someone would do that.
I think you did the right thing. By stopping further along the road, you could not have safely got back, and probably couldn't have contributed a whole lot to proceedings apart from an arguement.
Calling the police and making yourself available as a witness is the socially responsible thing to do.
Calling the police and making yourself available as a witness is the socially responsible thing to do.
Seen some stupid lorry driver manouvres round that area myself. Last one was over christmas - Car in inside lane of the motorway passing a junction, probably doing 2-3 mph less than the approaching lorry behind. As they approach the merge point of the sliproad, a lorry is joining at about 45mph. The car in the inside lane lifts off to allow the lorry to merge, yet the lorry behind is now right up the backside of the car.
I'm in the middle lane and saw this happening, which is lucky as the lorry driver decides to suddenly swerve in to the middle lane. Half way through his swerve he spots me (luckily just off the back of the lorry) and swerves back in. I flash him out and he moves in to the middle lane.
For some reason the lorry driver gave himself about half a second of thinking time which forced him in to making a desperate swerve to avoid the car in front. I saw coming from about 10 seconds before.
In brief, all lorry drivers are t
ts*
I'm in the middle lane and saw this happening, which is lucky as the lorry driver decides to suddenly swerve in to the middle lane. Half way through his swerve he spots me (luckily just off the back of the lorry) and swerves back in. I flash him out and he moves in to the middle lane.
For some reason the lorry driver gave himself about half a second of thinking time which forced him in to making a desperate swerve to avoid the car in front. I saw coming from about 10 seconds before.
In brief, all lorry drivers are t
ts*- ALL OF THEM!
Had an incident with a fully loaded car transporter the other day. I was passenger with my brother behind the wheel of his freelander and we were travelling a touch over 30 in a 30 (no more than 35 at 10pm - queue the 
) and we notice a truck fast approaching from behind on a road with numerous parked cars - approaching lights that were red, brother eases off and truck comes to within 3 meters of the freelander and luckily the lights change and we proceed.
Up to 30 mph, truck still right behind the car and even sitting in the oncoming lane when it was clear through a 30 zone with numerous turnings.
Into a 40 so we increase to 40 - leaves truck a little behind but once his speeds up he's right on our bumper again so as we enter the NSL we remain at 40 to see what the truck does and he attempts an over take on a blind bend! Knowign the potential we speed up as us getting ahead of him would be quicker than him overtaking.
Approaching a roundabout we slow quite alot just so the truck has to give way to the next vehicle and the truck completely ignored the car on the roundabout, next roundabout he goes off in a different direction.
Sadly couldn't get any details of the truck as all we could see was a mixture of dipped and full beam. The c*nt.
) and we notice a truck fast approaching from behind on a road with numerous parked cars - approaching lights that were red, brother eases off and truck comes to within 3 meters of the freelander and luckily the lights change and we proceed. Up to 30 mph, truck still right behind the car and even sitting in the oncoming lane when it was clear through a 30 zone with numerous turnings.
Into a 40 so we increase to 40 - leaves truck a little behind but once his speeds up he's right on our bumper again so as we enter the NSL we remain at 40 to see what the truck does and he attempts an over take on a blind bend! Knowign the potential we speed up as us getting ahead of him would be quicker than him overtaking.
Approaching a roundabout we slow quite alot just so the truck has to give way to the next vehicle and the truck completely ignored the car on the roundabout, next roundabout he goes off in a different direction.
Sadly couldn't get any details of the truck as all we could see was a mixture of dipped and full beam. The c*nt.
Boydie88 said:
mnkiboy said:
In brief, all lorry drivers are tts*
Bit harsh but it does seriously f*ck me off the lorry drivers that do give themselves no gap at all. And how can the ones that over take another lorry doing 1/2 a mph less live with themselves?ts*- ALL OF THEM!
I had similar on the M6, in fact in a 10 mile stretch, conditions were so atrocious there were 3 quite major accidents. it didn't stop a lorry driving literally 2 - 3 feet from my rear bumper at 60 odd mph, i was stuck behind another lorry so had anything happened i'd have been the insignificant filling in a fat man's sandwich...
panholio said:
I can't believe someone would do that.
I can. There are a few whom, it would seem, would rather get into a crash with someone they believe themselves to have been wronged by than simply let it go. I recall a few years ago driving through one of those silly chicane things in a residential area. When I entered there was noone coming the other way, but by the time I was half way through a Mondeo had appeared around a curve just up the road and was accelerating angrily and aiming squarely toward me, clearly miffed that I was already occupying a space through which he would have had priority if we'd arrived at the same time. If it hadn't been for a drop kerb for someone's driveway on the other side of the chicane, which facilitated an easy excursion over the pavement, I'd have been well and truly t-boned by the numptie.MitchT said:
panholio said:
I can't believe someone would do that.
I can. There are a few whom, it would seem, would rather get into a crash with someone they believe themselves to have been wronged by than simply let it go. I recall a few years ago driving through one of those silly chicane things in a residential area. When I entered there was noone coming the other way, but by the time I was half way through a Mondeo had appeared around a curve just up the road and was accelerating angrily and aiming squarely toward me, clearly miffed that I was already occupying a space through which he would have had priority if we'd arrived at the same time. If it hadn't been for a drop kerb for someone's driveway on the other side of the chicane, which facilitated an easy excursion over the pavement, I'd have been well and truly t-boned by the numptie.Boydie88 said:
Had an incident with a fully loaded car transporter the other day. I was passenger with my brother behind the wheel of his freelander and we were travelling a touch over 30 in a 30 (no more than 35 at 10pm - queue the ) and we notice a truck fast approaching from behind on a road with numerous parked cars - approaching lights that were red, brother eases off and truck comes to within 3 meters of the freelander and luckily the lights change and we proceed.
Up to 30 mph, truck still right behind the car and even sitting in the oncoming lane when it was clear through a 30 zone with numerous turnings.
Into a 40 so we increase to 40 - leaves truck a little behind but once his speeds up he's right on our bumper again so as we enter the NSL we remain at 40 to see what the truck does and he attempts an over take on a blind bend! Knowign the potential we speed up as us getting ahead of him would be quicker than him overtaking.
Approaching a roundabout we slow quite alot just so the truck has to give way to the next vehicle and the truck completely ignored the car on the roundabout, next roundabout he goes off in a different direction.
Sadly couldn't get any details of the truck as all we could see was a mixture of dipped and full beam. The c*nt.
You/your brother sound just as bad.) and we notice a truck fast approaching from behind on a road with numerous parked cars - approaching lights that were red, brother eases off and truck comes to within 3 meters of the freelander and luckily the lights change and we proceed. Up to 30 mph, truck still right behind the car and even sitting in the oncoming lane when it was clear through a 30 zone with numerous turnings.
Into a 40 so we increase to 40 - leaves truck a little behind but once his speeds up he's right on our bumper again so as we enter the NSL we remain at 40 to see what the truck does and he attempts an over take on a blind bend! Knowign the potential we speed up as us getting ahead of him would be quicker than him overtaking.
Approaching a roundabout we slow quite alot just so the truck has to give way to the next vehicle and the truck completely ignored the car on the roundabout, next roundabout he goes off in a different direction.
Sadly couldn't get any details of the truck as all we could see was a mixture of dipped and full beam. The c*nt.
Having driven lorries, articulated trailers and towed large trailers I know why some lorry drivers get annoyed.
Car drivers seem to think lorries can accelerate / stop / manouvre like they can.
You get idiots diving in front because they want to save 2 seconds on their journey or up the inside at islands and when turning left.
I'm not saying that this driver should ram morons off the road but I'd suggest the car driver doesn't value her life very highly if she's diving in front of a lorry.
Why did she not brake and go in behind it ?
Or get into lane sooner ?
Or accelerate and find a suitable gap ahead ?
I drive sportscars 95% of the time so I'm not blameless but I really think all car drivers should try being cyclists and lorry drivers periodically to appreciate their perspective.
Car drivers seem to think lorries can accelerate / stop / manouvre like they can.
You get idiots diving in front because they want to save 2 seconds on their journey or up the inside at islands and when turning left.
I'm not saying that this driver should ram morons off the road but I'd suggest the car driver doesn't value her life very highly if she's diving in front of a lorry.
Why did she not brake and go in behind it ?
Or get into lane sooner ?
Or accelerate and find a suitable gap ahead ?
I drive sportscars 95% of the time so I'm not blameless but I really think all car drivers should try being cyclists and lorry drivers periodically to appreciate their perspective.
I don't believe the incident in the OP happened.
She thought she had skidded on ice? Which of course is very similar to being rammed from behind (twice) by a HGV.
I also doubt the call centre police operator would know the specific details of the incident so quickly, let alone discussing what one of the people involved in the incident said, to someone uninvolved.
Lastly, I doubt a trucker would jeapordise his job/freedom for an (imaginary) very minor incident.
She thought she had skidded on ice? Which of course is very similar to being rammed from behind (twice) by a HGV.
I also doubt the call centre police operator would know the specific details of the incident so quickly, let alone discussing what one of the people involved in the incident said, to someone uninvolved.
Lastly, I doubt a trucker would jeapordise his job/freedom for an (imaginary) very minor incident.
Did you see the clip last year of the truck pushing the car along the M6 or whatever? The driver couldn't see that car, now i'm not saying the same happened here but a tiny car like a cinquecento can easily suffer the same fate if it "squeezed in front" of an HGV. There is a chance the driver after closing the gap did not see the car after she pulled in front, the car ahead accelerated and so did the HGV not knowing there was a tiny car in his blind spot.
I've seen plenty of badly driven HGV's but no-one in their right mind would just ram another car twice
I've seen plenty of badly driven HGV's but no-one in their right mind would just ram another car twice
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