Full Service History
Discussion
Something I read on here earlier got me thinking.
What does Full Service History actually mean?
A thread on here mentioned that dealers list cars as FSH if they have all of the history for work that has been done on the car, regardless whether this means it went without a service for 30k. So if 50k car was listed as FSH and had only been serviced once at 20k, which they had the receipt for, this was a FSH car.
Now to me, FSH means that every service interval has been met (or atleast some kind of service yearly etc) and records of all parts/ work carried out on the car.
So what does it mean to you?
What does Full Service History actually mean?
A thread on here mentioned that dealers list cars as FSH if they have all of the history for work that has been done on the car, regardless whether this means it went without a service for 30k. So if 50k car was listed as FSH and had only been serviced once at 20k, which they had the receipt for, this was a FSH car.
Now to me, FSH means that every service interval has been met (or atleast some kind of service yearly etc) and records of all parts/ work carried out on the car.
So what does it mean to you?
Deluded said:
So what does it mean to you?
Depends what car your buying i suppose. I wouldn't of bought my S2000 without full service history, but my volvo 940, I dont care, buy on condition, not how many stamps are in the service books.Given how easy stamps are to buy on places like ebay nowadays anyway, a lot of the fully stamped service books are probably false.
James_N said:
Depends what car your buying i suppose. I wouldn't of bought my S2000 without full service history, but my volvo 940, I dont care, buy on condition, not how many stamps are in the service books.
Given how easy stamps are to buy on places like ebay nowadays anyway, a lot of the fully stamped service books are probably false.
I'm not looking to buy a car, just find it annoying how FSH seems to be applied to every car these days, even though a lot clearly only have a few reciepts, if that sometimes.Given how easy stamps are to buy on places like ebay nowadays anyway, a lot of the fully stamped service books are probably false.
What are your expectations when you go to see a car advertised as FSH?
My receipts are burried in my accounts. I'll be damned if I'm digging through them for a buyer. The stamps in the book - if they are that untrusting they can ring the dealer.
I think you make a judgement based on the seller, and if I trusted someone so little or doubted the history, I would walk away.
On the buying side I don't expect to see receipts. I do expect to see a car in a condition which goes with FSH. One memorable trip to london to see an S class MB, which had FSH and was in great condition. FSH turned into one! service (it's a history innit was his reply!), Had 4 different tyres (one a winter tyre), mis coloured parking sensor, well worn seat and a missing wheel stud.
I think you make a judgement based on the seller, and if I trusted someone so little or doubted the history, I would walk away.
On the buying side I don't expect to see receipts. I do expect to see a car in a condition which goes with FSH. One memorable trip to london to see an S class MB, which had FSH and was in great condition. FSH turned into one! service (it's a history innit was his reply!), Had 4 different tyres (one a winter tyre), mis coloured parking sensor, well worn seat and a missing wheel stud.
Deluded said:
I'm not looking to buy a car, just find it annoying how FSH seems to be applied to every car these days, even though a lot clearly only have a few reciepts, if that sometimes.
What are your expectations when you go to see a car advertised as FSH?
I'd expect proof that a car has been serviced according to the schedule at the correct intervals, every interval!What are your expectations when you go to see a car advertised as FSH?
You need receipts really, stamps can be faked quickly by choosing a garage that shut down so it can't be checked.
As said above though you need to check condition as well. An oil change at a main dealer every 2 years and not bothering with the bushes and brakes etc is hardly desirable compared to an itemised comprehensive receipt folder that's has had what's been required carried out.
As said above though you need to check condition as well. An oil change at a main dealer every 2 years and not bothering with the bushes and brakes etc is hardly desirable compared to an itemised comprehensive receipt folder that's has had what's been required carried out.
The clue is in the name
FULL - As in EVERYTHING the car has ever had done to it with reciepts. Doesn't have to mean all at Main dealers. Just got to show that the car was looked after.
That's what I had on one car. That's what I want to see when it says FULL. That's what I want to see when spending £5K upwards
Granted very few cars still have that. But in those cases it should say PARTIAL history. And more importantly SAY IN THE ADVERT what is and isn't there. They should also say if it proves mileage. Too many sellers say "History" and it's just a few random invoices or a couple MOTs and 1 service sheet.
Given it's not too difficult to phone up the importer of a car customer services and get them to tell you where the car was sold, serviced the first X years. And approach the dealers for duplicate invoices. And even get duplicate service books stamped up by the dealers concenred. Then use VOSAs site to check MOT history. You can easily piece together a fair chunk of history which adds to the value of a car.
Under £1K or so it's a different story.
FULL - As in EVERYTHING the car has ever had done to it with reciepts. Doesn't have to mean all at Main dealers. Just got to show that the car was looked after.
That's what I had on one car. That's what I want to see when it says FULL. That's what I want to see when spending £5K upwards
Granted very few cars still have that. But in those cases it should say PARTIAL history. And more importantly SAY IN THE ADVERT what is and isn't there. They should also say if it proves mileage. Too many sellers say "History" and it's just a few random invoices or a couple MOTs and 1 service sheet.
Given it's not too difficult to phone up the importer of a car customer services and get them to tell you where the car was sold, serviced the first X years. And approach the dealers for duplicate invoices. And even get duplicate service books stamped up by the dealers concenred. Then use VOSAs site to check MOT history. You can easily piece together a fair chunk of history which adds to the value of a car.
Under £1K or so it's a different story.
When selling a car a FSH is used to increase the value as many people will not buy without a SH.
There is no definition of whether it means the car has had every service as the manufacturer has recommended and the receipts/service books are available or whether it just means the full service that the car has had is available (i.e may not all be manufacturer recomended dates).
I think most people seeing FSH advertised think it to mean that the car has been serviced as recommended and comes with paperwork but arguably the english language meaning is that it just have all the paperwork from each service, even if as mention it may only have been 1 service for a car on 100,000 miles
There is no definition of whether it means the car has had every service as the manufacturer has recommended and the receipts/service books are available or whether it just means the full service that the car has had is available (i.e may not all be manufacturer recomended dates).
I think most people seeing FSH advertised think it to mean that the car has been serviced as recommended and comes with paperwork but arguably the english language meaning is that it just have all the paperwork from each service, even if as mention it may only have been 1 service for a car on 100,000 miles
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