Will Capri's ever be worth as much as Escorts ?
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As above, with Escort prices going stratospheric will the Capri ever catch up ? have noticed prices have firmed a little bit but they aren't in the same league, is it the rallying thing that causes the Capri to be cheaper, the Capri had its own RS versions and motorsport heritage as well.
Is it that the Capri was a bit fancy and didn't have that same honesty that the Escort had, even though they were pretty similar, I had a MK1 1600 GT-XLR Capri as my first car (was 20 years old even back in 89) and it was more or less an Escort Mexico, same engine and running gear by and large, a MK3 2.0 S Capri was pretty similar to an RS2000 but is worth about a fifth of the money, unless I am missing something and the Escort was markedly different underneath ?
Is it that the Capri was a bit fancy and didn't have that same honesty that the Escort had, even though they were pretty similar, I had a MK1 1600 GT-XLR Capri as my first car (was 20 years old even back in 89) and it was more or less an Escort Mexico, same engine and running gear by and large, a MK3 2.0 S Capri was pretty similar to an RS2000 but is worth about a fifth of the money, unless I am missing something and the Escort was markedly different underneath ?
Personally I don't understand the astronomically high prices for either Escort or Capri's? It just seems a popularity thing, people see the Escorts as popular at the moment so seem to be pushing the prices up. Sure the Capri's turn will come. Then it will be Cortina's, just like the over-inflated Mk1 Cortina's prices now.
I really don't get it. There are much nicer classics out there, with more exclusivity and for sensible prices. What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
I really don't get it. There are much nicer classics out there, with more exclusivity and for sensible prices. What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
smiffy220 said:
Personally I don't understand the astronomically high prices for either Escort or Capri's? It just seems a popularity thing, people see the Escorts as popular at the moment so seem to be pushing the prices up. Sure the Capri's turn will come. Then it will be Cortina's, just like the over-inflated Mk1 Cortina's prices now.
I really don't get it. There are much nicer classics out there, with more exclusivity and for sensible prices. What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
I always thought with certain cars there is an element of scene tax which keeps them artificially high. Good examples would be Starlets, R34 Skylines, Supras and a few others like 200Sx's. I really don't get it. There are much nicer classics out there, with more exclusivity and for sensible prices. What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
Not sure if its the same anymore given the recession, but it was a year or so ago.
smiffy220 said:
Personally I don't understand the astronomically high prices for either Escort or Capri's? It just seems a popularity thing,
Obviously.smiffy220 said:
people see the Escorts as popular at the moment
No, they ARE popular, and have been for a very long time.smiffy220 said:
so seem to be pushing the prices up. Sure the Capri's turn will come. Then it will be Cortina's, just like the over-inflated Mk1 Cortina's prices now.
I really don't get it.
Primarily Motorsport heritage, which is why I doubt the Capri will reach the same level of desirability. There are many hundreds (probably thousands) of Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts still competing very competitively in rally events.I really don't get it.
Chrisw666 said:
smiffy220 said:
What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
Like many things, if it has to be explained you will never understand. smiffy220 said:
Personally I don't understand the astronomically high prices for either Escort or Capri's? It just seems a popularity thing, people see the Escorts as popular at the moment so seem to be pushing the prices up. Sure the Capri's turn will come. Then it will be Cortina's, just like the over-inflated Mk1 Cortina's prices now.
I really don't get it. There are much nicer classics out there, with more exclusivity and for sensible prices. What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
One word explains it: eligibility.I really don't get it. There are much nicer classics out there, with more exclusivity and for sensible prices. What's the Ford attraction, never have understood it?
Historic rallying events are MASSIVE these days, be it stage or regularity class. A lot of the eligible cars are mega-money or ultra-rare - Porsche 911s, various Lancias and Alfas and so on.
Compared to the money you can spend prepping a Porsche 911 or a Lancia Stratos to win a rally, you can spend a lot less on a rear-drive Escort, still look as credible as Roger Clark, and still be competitive against much more expensive cars.
So yes, prices 'for an Escort' are sky-high. But 'for a competitive historic rally car', they're actually temptingly low.
Twincam16 said:
One word explains it: eligibility.
Historic rallying events are MASSIVE these days, be it stage or regularity class. A lot of the eligible cars are mega-money or ultra-rare - Porsche 911s, various Lancias and Alfas and so on.
Compared to the money you can spend prepping a Porsche 911 or a Lancia Stratos to win a rally, you can spend a lot less on a rear-drive Escort, still look as credible as Roger Clark, and still be competitive against much more expensive cars.
So yes, prices 'for an Escort' are sky-high. But 'for a competitive historic rally car', they're actually temptingly low.
Granted, the rallying versions are, and still are incredibly successful. I know, I've rallied against them. So does this mean there is a shortage of road going versions, hence pushing the price up? There does seem to be plenty still rally prep'd and for sale.Historic rallying events are MASSIVE these days, be it stage or regularity class. A lot of the eligible cars are mega-money or ultra-rare - Porsche 911s, various Lancias and Alfas and so on.
Compared to the money you can spend prepping a Porsche 911 or a Lancia Stratos to win a rally, you can spend a lot less on a rear-drive Escort, still look as credible as Roger Clark, and still be competitive against much more expensive cars.
So yes, prices 'for an Escort' are sky-high. But 'for a competitive historic rally car', they're actually temptingly low.
There is also a hell of a lot of Capri's still on the market, some better than others. So maybe the prices won't get over inflated so much then?
irish boy said:
I had an immaculate 280 brooklands Capri which I sold 10 years ago for 5k with 30k. The same guy (neighbour) still has it and I reckon it's worth 12-15k now. Lovely car to drive if dated by 87 standards, I'd love it back again some day but not at that money.
Loved the 280, but for 12 - 15 grand you could buy a pair of decent 1987 944 Turbo's or one minter and have change which were two or three times the price when new, I think part of it is that the guys that either had or hankered after one back in the day still either want to scratch the itch or relive their youth, now they have more money and there are more of them so it gets competetive, the 944 was perhaps more owned by wealthier people who just moved on and bought the next one and didnt get so nostalgic.I see loads of decent stuf that gets ignored and goes for relatively, pennies, Audi 200 Turbo quattro goes for very little but was basically a saloon quattro that won rallies as well.
Ford wise the Granada Coupe is very rare but comparatively cheap, as are the pre Escort stuff like Anglias.
I do think sometimes that there is a bit of a lack of imagination going on or a bit of a slavish following of trends.
Mr2Mike said:
smiffy220 said:
Personally I don't understand the astronomically high prices for either Escort or Capri's? It just seems a popularity thing,
Obviously.smiffy220 said:
people see the Escorts as popular at the moment
No, they ARE popular, and have been for a very long time.smiffy220 said:
so seem to be pushing the prices up. Sure the Capri's turn will come. Then it will be Cortina's, just like the over-inflated Mk1 Cortina's prices now.
I really don't get it.
Primarily Motorsport heritage, which is why I doubt the Capri will reach the same level of desirability. There are many hundreds (probably thousands) of Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts still competing very competitively in rally events.I really don't get it.
J4CKO said:
irish boy said:
I had an immaculate 280 brooklands Capri which I sold 10 years ago for 5k with 30k. The same guy (neighbour) still has it and I reckon it's worth 12-15k now. Lovely car to drive if dated by 87 standards, I'd love it back again some day but not at that money.
Loved the 280, but for 12 - 15 grand you could buy a pair of decent 1987 944 Turbo's or one minter and have change which were two or three times the price when new, I think part of it is that the guys that either had or hankered after one back in the day still either want to scratch the itch or relive their youth, now they have more money and there are more of them so it gets competetive, the 944 was perhaps more owned by wealthier people who just moved on and bought the next one and didnt get so nostalgic.I see loads of decent stuf that gets ignored and goes for relatively, pennies, Audi 200 Turbo quattro goes for very little but was basically a saloon quattro that won rallies as well.
Ford wise the Granada Coupe is very rare but comparatively cheap, as are the pre Escort stuff like Anglias.
I do think sometimes that there is a bit of a lack of imagination going on or a bit of a slavish following of trends.
J4CKO said:
Mr2Mike said:
smiffy220 said:
Personally I don't understand the astronomically high prices for either Escort or Capri's? It just seems a popularity thing,
Obviously.smiffy220 said:
people see the Escorts as popular at the moment
No, they ARE popular, and have been for a very long time.smiffy220 said:
so seem to be pushing the prices up. Sure the Capri's turn will come. Then it will be Cortina's, just like the over-inflated Mk1 Cortina's prices now.
I really don't get it.
Primarily Motorsport heritage, which is why I doubt the Capri will reach the same level of desirability. There are many hundreds (probably thousands) of Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts still competing very competitively in rally events.I really don't get it.
That's not to say a Capri can't be turned into a decent rally car, but it'd need a hell of a lot of work.
cboi23 said:
Oh no, here we go again..... 
s m said:
How much have 964RS' increased in value by in the last decade? Two-fold, three-fold?
Yeah, but those big boys toys and you are competing with rich Germans, Japanese, Americans etc, I know the Escort was popular in other countries, especially bits of europe but the market seems to be mainly British isles based.J4CKO said:
Yeah, but those big boys toys and you are competing with rich Germans, Japanese, Americans etc, I know the Escort was popular in other countries, especially bits of europe but the market seems to be mainly British isles based.
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