The bloody cold weather and batteries.
The bloody cold weather and batteries.
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lankybob

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2,168 posts

219 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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What is it about the cold that makes batteries lose power? (serious question).
After leaving my car outside for a week and a half, I went out to start it and drive it this evening. All I got was possibly 1 revolution and then just clicks. Very annoying. I will have to get some friends to help push and I will bump start tomorrow.
Before anyone says anything, I know a week and a half is too long but every time I have wanted to drive it I have been too hungover or my favourite roads have been too icy to drive on!

Another question, why have they not got batteries which hold their power in the cold? If they have, let me know.

matthias73

2,901 posts

179 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Live on top of hill-sorted

lankybob

Original Poster:

2,168 posts

219 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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matthias73 said:
Live on top of hill-sorted
I'm in Leicester ATM, so hills are quite hard to come by!

Toltec

7,179 posts

252 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Chemical reactions are generally less vigorous at lower temperatures, older batteries are also worse in cold conditions.

TorqueTalk

208 posts

181 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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A lead acid battery is basically just a chemical reaction, so temperature will effect the efficiency of the battery. Better quality batteries with perform better in cold weather, you should not have any real problems with a good battery untill you hit -25c

rallycross

13,750 posts

266 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Tell me about it, such a pain, I usually have about half a dozen cars and in this weather the batteries wont last a week with drain from standard immobiliser/alarm systems.

Easiest solution I found was buy a cheap battery with a handle, keep it in doors, then use it with jump leads when they wont start. Much better than those battery packs which having bought a few of them they all had low amps and only lasted a short time.

chris182

4,236 posts

182 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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The reason they perform worse is the internal resistance of the battery increases a lot at low temperatures. When a large current is drawn (i.e. when starting) most of the battery's voltage is dropped across its own internal resistance.

J4CKO

46,836 posts

229 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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My new 944 sounds a bit slow to crank but hasnt failed to start, if it does, straight for a new battery, not worth pissing about with knackered batteries

matthias73

2,901 posts

179 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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lankybob said:
matthias73 said:
Live on top of hill-sorted
I'm in Leicester ATM, so hills are quite hard to come by!
Funny you should say that...I live in leicester myself


Jimbo.

4,220 posts

218 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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lankybob said:
What is it about the cold that makes batteries lose power? (serious question).
After leaving my car outside for a week and a half, I went out to start it and drive it this evening. All I got was possibly 1 revolution and then just clicks. Very annoying. I will have to get some friends to help push and I will bump start tomorrow.
Before anyone says anything, I know a week and a half is too long but every time I have wanted to drive it I have been too hungover or my favourite roads have been too icy to drive on!

Another question, why have they not got batteries which hold their power in the cold? If they have, let me know.
A week-and-a-half isn't long at all. You've an old/shagged battery and/or a current leak somewhere.

chrisxr2

1,129 posts

223 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Horsepoo jimbo, my mini (Classic) has a battery in the boot with the no heat heat insulation and the cold for a couple of days absolutely kills it. so yes the cold does make a difference (Bosch battery fairly new)

fido

18,911 posts

284 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Bosch Silver is a good'un. Has made it through 2 winters unlike the unbranded Calcium ones i used before. I have also tried a solar charger this year and it seems to maintain the voltage level (or at least for a 3-4 days longer than before).

cptsideways

13,884 posts

281 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Crap unbranded batteries that last until the first winter seem to be a common issue. Apparently there is less lead in them? anyone know for sure?


Bosch Silver Batteries - If the car is a keeper its the best investment I've made to keep a car going for yonks, possibly the only reliable thing Bosch make!

Jimbo.

4,220 posts

218 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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chrisxr2 said:
Horsepoo jimbo, my mini (Classic) has a battery in the boot with the no heat heat insulation and the cold for a couple of days absolutely kills it. so yes the cold does make a difference (Bosch battery fairly new)
Errrrrr. No. I don't hear of people in Northern Europe, Canada etc (where it's "properly" cold, and not the half-arsed -5 or 2" snow) complaining of flat batteries after a week. If your battery is useless after a week of...nothing...it's shagged.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

275 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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^^^^ This

It's heat which flattens a battery left standing (due to internal self discharge), not cold. A lead acid battery under normal ambient conditions will typically self-discharge at the rate of about 5% a month. This rate accelerates at higher temperatures.

A knackered battery is a knackered battery. A cold day is simply the straw which breaks the camel's back by slowing the battery's ability to deliver current.

otolith

68,835 posts

233 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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I suspect that things like alarms and trackers are more of a drain than internal self discharge.

aw51 121565

4,773 posts

262 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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Put a car's battery on charge for a night every couple of weeks in Autumn & Winter, and perhaps once a month in Summer. And - if there are removeable caps - top up the electrolyte with distilled water if required as well as nipping-off the caps while charging the battery and tightening them again afterwards.

With the battery in situ in the car and the appropriate 'kit' - a charger near a plug socket inside the house and several metres of twin core cable with crocodile clips on the end, plus a coin of demonination 50p or less if the caps are removeable - it takes a minute to connect up one night and disconnect the next morning. Make sure the charger is NOT plugged in at the wall while making or breaking connections at the battery wink !

You'll never have the "slow cranking on the first cold day of Autumn or in the depths of winter" problem again smile .


rallycross

13,750 posts

266 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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aw51 121565 said:
Put a car's battery on charge for a night every couple of weeks in Autumn & Winter, and perhaps once a month in Summer. And - if there are removeable caps - top up the electrolyte with distilled water if required as well as nipping-off the caps while charging the battery and tightening them again afterwards.

With the battery in situ in the car and the appropriate 'kit' - a charger near a plug socket inside the house and several metres of twin core cable with crocodile clips on the end, plus a coin of demonination 50p or less if the caps are removeable - it takes a minute to connect up one night and disconnect the next morning. Make sure the charger is NOT plugged in at the wall while making or breaking connections at the battery wink !

You'll never have the "slow cranking on the first cold day of Autumn or in the depths of winter" problem again smile .
thats really not much use when your cars are parked around the local area on the street.

Pints

18,451 posts

223 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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I haven't seen a battery with removable caps in years.
And there's no power source in my garage.

caziques

2,842 posts

197 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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Gell batteries is what's needed for cold conditions. No acid to spill - work much better when cold - last for years.

I sold my father a gell battery something like 15 years ago - half the size of normal lead acid. Just told me he gave it to next door neighbour a couple of days ago to start his car - not sure when it was last used or charged up. Started the car fine. Can't think of the name off hand.