Gumtree Fraud - can anyone help
Discussion
Before you get the harsher replies (I can't see a lot of sympathy being expended on this thread)
Report to the police, report to gumtree. Dont expect any feedback from either.
Write it off, you will not be seeing your money again.
Lesson learned and all that...
ETA, you also told him your home address and that fact that you're out of the house for 12 hours a day.
Report to the police, report to gumtree. Dont expect any feedback from either.
Write it off, you will not be seeing your money again.
Lesson learned and all that...
ETA, you also told him your home address and that fact that you're out of the house for 12 hours a day.
Steffan said:
How did you pay for the voucher? I think that is the critical question. If you paid with a credit card or Paypal you can get your money back.
If you paid with cash or a debit card I am sorry to say the money is gone.
How so? The voucher was purchsed, provided and spent, the voucher company or credit card company have no liability for the fact he gave it away to an internet scammer.If you paid with cash or a debit card I am sorry to say the money is gone.
ILoveMondeo said:
Steffan said:
How did you pay for the voucher? I think that is the critical question. If you paid with a credit card or Paypal you can get your money back.
If you paid with cash or a debit card I am sorry to say the money is gone.
How so? The voucher was purchsed, provided and spent, the voucher company or credit card company have no liability for the fact he gave it away to an internet scammer.If you paid with cash or a debit card I am sorry to say the money is gone.
When I was giving Pro Bono as a Chartered Accountant for Citizens advice we found CC companies will sometimes refund any disputed debt, if it is a way of reducing their formal complaint procedures. Certainly worth a try. Ditto Paypal.
A formal complaint, by recorded delivery, to the CC company or Paypal invariably brought refund. The formality of the complaint causes their complaints statistics to look poor, and they do not want this.
I take your point that the use of the voucher will be outside the CC company responsibility. In my experience there is a real chance they will not want the hassle of a formal complaint, because they have to record the statistics etc for statistical review by outside Auditors and other such august bodies.
Nothing ventured nothing gained IMO. I hate scammers with a vengeance. The honest man ought to be protected by the law. Clearly, he is not in the UK today.
Might be worth a try with Gumtree using the same process for the same reason.
Gumtree are owned by Ebay, (or whichever offshore shadow Ebay are using today), and Ebay definitely do not want formal complaints of fraud at their door. This would be a long shot but again worth the trouble.
I eventually personally got a refund of £17.50 from a scammer who was fraudulently selling phone ring tones. Only cost me £4.00 initially. Chased it all round Europe and was eventually refunded with a letter of apology from the German equivalent of the OFT because they failed to protect the purchasers. Took over two years but the refund was there to be had.
My initial £4.00 had been refunded by 02 ages before. Gave both sums to the NSPCC. I had no wish to profit.
But determination and formal complaints can produce results.
Steffan said:
If he paid with Paypal or a credit card he might be protected. I appreciate that there is no guarantee. Consumer Credit Act 1974 requires the Credit Card company to make good such losses. Arguably ( as you suggest) the CC company responsibility ends with the provision of the voucher. It is the concern at the CC company that I know a formal complaint will bring, that I am suggesting may facilitate a refund. It may not.
When I was giving Pro Bono as a Chartered Accountant for Citizens advice we found CC companies will sometimes refund any disputed debt, if it is a way of reducing their formal complaint procedures. Certainly worth a try. Ditto Paypal.
A formal complaint, by recorded delivery, to the CC company or Paypal invariably brought refund. The formality of the complaint causes their complaints statistics to look poor, and they do not want this.
I take your point that the use of the voucher will be outside the CC company responsibility. In my experience there is a real chance they will not want the hassle of a formal complaint, because they have to record the statistics etc for statistical review by outside Auditors and other such august bodies.
Nothing ventured nothing gained IMO. I hate scammers with a vengeance. The honest man ought to be protected by the law. Clearly, he is not in the UK today.
Might be worth a try with Gumtree using the same process for the same reason.
Gumtree are owned by Ebay, (or whichever offshore shadow Ebay are using today), and Ebay definitely do not want formal complaints of fraud at their door. This would be a long shot but again worth the trouble.
I eventually personally got a refund of £17.50 from a scammer who was fraudulently selling phone ring tones. Only cost me £4.00 initially. Chased it all round Europe and was eventually refunded with a letter of apology from the German equivalent of the OFT because they failed to protect the purchasers. Took over two years but the refund was there to be had.
My initial £4.00 had been refunded by 02 ages before. Gave both sums to the NSPCC. I had no wish to profit.
But determination and formal complaints can produce results.
Waste of time and resourcesWhen I was giving Pro Bono as a Chartered Accountant for Citizens advice we found CC companies will sometimes refund any disputed debt, if it is a way of reducing their formal complaint procedures. Certainly worth a try. Ditto Paypal.
A formal complaint, by recorded delivery, to the CC company or Paypal invariably brought refund. The formality of the complaint causes their complaints statistics to look poor, and they do not want this.
I take your point that the use of the voucher will be outside the CC company responsibility. In my experience there is a real chance they will not want the hassle of a formal complaint, because they have to record the statistics etc for statistical review by outside Auditors and other such august bodies.
Nothing ventured nothing gained IMO. I hate scammers with a vengeance. The honest man ought to be protected by the law. Clearly, he is not in the UK today.
Might be worth a try with Gumtree using the same process for the same reason.
Gumtree are owned by Ebay, (or whichever offshore shadow Ebay are using today), and Ebay definitely do not want formal complaints of fraud at their door. This would be a long shot but again worth the trouble.
I eventually personally got a refund of £17.50 from a scammer who was fraudulently selling phone ring tones. Only cost me £4.00 initially. Chased it all round Europe and was eventually refunded with a letter of apology from the German equivalent of the OFT because they failed to protect the purchasers. Took over two years but the refund was there to be had.
My initial £4.00 had been refunded by 02 ages before. Gave both sums to the NSPCC. I had no wish to profit.
But determination and formal complaints can produce results.
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