Automatic box question
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V8Wagon

Original Poster:

1,707 posts

183 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Forgive my ignorance......at traffic lights etc, would sitting with it in (D)rive with your foot on the brake be OK or should it be stuck in neutral?

I appreciate that it probably SHOULD be in neutral but is there a mechanical/technical reason why?

anonymous-user

77 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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No. An auto does not need to be moved out of Drive, the torque converter deals with that.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

211 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Yep, although it is said if you will be sitting for a long time to take it out of drive, normally you avoid any shifting, just flick into D to set off, and you'd only move it out when you've parked up at the other end of the journey.

tr7v8

7,542 posts

251 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Stay in D but if for more than 30 sec or so, then pull the handbrake on, once the situation behind is stable release the foot brake.

stuartmmcfc

8,775 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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In my new focus if you were sat at the lights you could have it in drive and put the handbrake on,take your footboth off the pedal, and the car would happily sit there.
If you tried this in my xkr (which i did recently) the car tries to pull forward.
Ultimately you then have 2 choices- put your foot on the brake, put the handbrake on, put it into N and then release the foot brake. When the lights go green repeat in reverse and try and do it sharpish before the car behind pips their horn (you have approx' 0.5 sec)
alternatively leave it in D and put your foot on the brake to stop it creeping forward, blind the poor soul behind you who has "sensitive eyes', and then pull away smoothly and sharply when the lights go green by just switching your foot from one pedal to the other.

blearyeyedboy

6,736 posts

202 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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stuartmmcfc said:
In my new focus if you were sat at the lights you could have it in drive and put the handbrake on,take your footboth off the pedal, and the car would happily sit there.
If you tried this in my xkr (which i did recently) the car tries to pull forward.
Ultimately you then have 2 choices- put your foot on the brake, put the handbrake on, put it into N and then release the foot brake. When the lights go green repeat in reverse and try and do it sharpish before the car behind pips their horn (you have approx' 0.5 sec)
alternatively leave it in D and put your foot on the brake to stop it creeping forward, blind the poor soul behind you who has "sensitive eyes', and then pull away smoothly and sharply when the lights go green by just switching your foot from one pedal to the other.
This. Although you don't need anything as powerful as an XKR. My diesel Cadillac BLS did this. I went for N at traffic lights to prevent buying a new handbrake cable and to stop dazzling the guy behind. I don't know if there's a better way.

martin84

5,366 posts

176 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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tr7v8 said:
Stay in D but if for more than 30 sec or so, then pull the handbrake on, once the situation behind is stable release the foot brake.
Its interesting you mention that because i had new brake pads put on my (automatic) car the other day and i picked it up from the garage and drove 17 miles before i realised the handbrake was on. Thats how good the handbrake is.

Doesnt matter though, i never use it and ive never met any auto owner who's ever touched the handbrake...handle.

anonymous-user

77 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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In any high torque car you'll need a very firm pull on the handbrake to hold it stationary in Drive. Most people will just leave a foot on the brake pedal unless stopped for a very long time.

stuartmmcfc

8,775 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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martin84 said:
ive never met any auto owner who's ever touched the handbrake...handle.
to be fair I never did- even when I parked up (unless it was on a hill etc), however I've recently tried to make an effort if I'm at lights now I know how some people dont like the bright lights of a brake lamp being held on.

K12beano

20,854 posts

298 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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blearyeyedboy said:
This. Although you don't need anything as powerful as an XKR. My diesel Cadillac BLS did this. I went for N at traffic lights to prevent buying a new handbrake cable and to stop dazzling the guy behind. I don't know if there's a better way.
This - if your handbrake won't hold it.


Especially as:
The Highway Code said:
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights.

m44kts

801 posts

223 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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I use the parking brake all the time in my CLS, (foot pedal so not a handbrake)and slip it into N. I was told years ago when I had my 850 T5 auto that keeping it in D when stationary can ruin the ATF after a while, no idea how much truth is in that though.


mollymoo

130 posts

169 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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martin84 said:
Doesnt matter though, i never use it and ive never met any auto owner who's ever touched the handbrake...handle.
Drivers who sit with their foot on the brake at the lights really annoy me, especially one with modern luxury cars with ultra-bright LED brake lights - Mercs and Range Rovers seem to be the worst offenders. Spare a thought for the guy behind you. It's pretty unpleasant having that lot shining in your eyes from six feet away.

stuartmmcfc

8,775 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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mollymoo said:
Drivers who sit with their foot on the brake at the lights really annoy me, especially one with modern luxury cars with ultra-bright LED brake lights - Mercs and Range Rovers seem to be the worst offenders. Spare a thought for the guy behind you. It's pretty unpleasant having that lot shining in your eyes from six feet away.
while I appreciate what you're saying (and you're quite right- it can be annoying), here's a tip- don't stare at them laugh !

Rawwr

22,722 posts

257 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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If I'm driving a manual, I'll slip it into neutral and apply the handbrake.

If I'm driving an auto, I'll slip it into neutral and apply the handbrake.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

307 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Bit hard with an uber barge with red landing lights in front.

m44kts

801 posts

223 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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laugh My last car was a RR and my current is the mentioned CLS ^^^^

I noticed pretty quickly that the brake lights in the Range Rover were really bright and in eye level of most other road users.

martin84

5,366 posts

176 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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mollymoo said:
Drivers who sit with their foot on the brake at the lights really annoy me, especially one with modern luxury cars with ultra-bright LED brake lights - Mercs and Range Rovers seem to be the worst offenders. Spare a thought for the guy behind you. It's pretty unpleasant having that lot shining in your eyes from six feet away.
You do know automatic drivers can have cars in front of them also? I've never had a problem with brake lights, it really confuses me when people go 'the brake lights are too bright!!!' because ive never experienced this. These people must have vision problems or something and need an eye test. Although i agree about Range Rovers as the lights are higher up so if you drive a normal car the lights are pointing right at you.

Personally im too busy paying attention to the traffic lights to stare at the brake lights of the vehicle in front. But each to their own.

By the way, my car is a V reg Rover 75 so rest assured im not blinding anybody with LED's.


Rawwr

22,722 posts

257 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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martin84 said:
I've never had a problem with brake lights, it really confuses me when people go 'the brake lights are too bright!!!' because ive never experienced this.
I've never had a problem with epilepsy, it really confuses me when epileptics have fits because I've never had a fit.

People perceive contrast differently, which makes some people more susceptible to brake light rage than others.

V8Wagon

Original Poster:

1,707 posts

183 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Cheers guys, good to know I'm not wrecking the thing then!


martin84

5,366 posts

176 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Rawwr said:
I've never had a problem with epilepsy, it really confuses me when epileptics have fits because I've never had a fit.

People perceive contrast differently, which makes some people more susceptible to brake light rage than others.
The typical PH strawman. Epilepsy is a medical condition, brake light knobbery isnt. All you've proven is its not the fault of the car in front that the driver behind is blinded.