Why the Prius hate?
Discussion
Just following on from the 'why the SLK hate' thread and the Prius being nominated as a car which sold more than it deserved.
Why does PH dislike the Prius? It cant be purely because its a hybrid because the Auris Hybrid, Civic Hybrid and the Insight don't get the same level of abuse.
Do you dislike the car or do you - as I very much suspect - dislike its marketing drivel and the nature of the people who its targeted at and who buy them? If Hollywood elite drove Insights would that've been the punchbag instead?
Just curious.
Why does PH dislike the Prius? It cant be purely because its a hybrid because the Auris Hybrid, Civic Hybrid and the Insight don't get the same level of abuse.
Do you dislike the car or do you - as I very much suspect - dislike its marketing drivel and the nature of the people who its targeted at and who buy them? If Hollywood elite drove Insights would that've been the punchbag instead?
Just curious.
Edited by martin84 on Wednesday 11th April 00:37
I'm not keen on the front end of the second-generation Prius, the back is alright and I have driven one. Its a perfectly capable car although it understeers like a pig and thats from somebody who's used to driving FWD cars.
The new one looks like a nice car to be fair to it and apparently they've sorted out its issue of being noisy and lethargic on the motorway.
The new one looks like a nice car to be fair to it and apparently they've sorted out its issue of being noisy and lethargic on the motorway.
I think it's because their either bought by yogurt knitters for smugness, or by company's for car tax, which defeats the purpose...
so, bought for cheaper tax, or because your smug, or because you hate automobiles...
another reason is that they are in no way eco-friendly, because of both the materials used and the shipping distance involved... -might as well have an older 4x4 than a new car for lifetime emissions-.
so, bought for cheaper tax, or because your smug, or because you hate automobiles...
another reason is that they are in no way eco-friendly, because of both the materials used and the shipping distance involved... -might as well have an older 4x4 than a new car for lifetime emissions-.
Agrispeed said:
another reason is that they are in no way eco-friendly, because of both the materials used and the shipping distance involved... -might as well have an older 4x4 than a new car for lifetime emissions-.
It's that more than anything. The economy figures are not that special, and I think the battery is made out of unicorn horn.cause they are pushed as eco friendly cars and yet they are some of the most destructive on the planet... unless they have found a way to make the batteries out of something other than nickel.
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
Agrispeed said:
I think it's because their either bought by yogurt knitters for smugness, or by company's for car tax, which defeats the purpose...
so, bought for cheaper tax, or because your smug, or because you hate automobiles...
another reason is that they are in no way eco-friendly, because of both the materials used and the shipping distance involved... -might as well have an older 4x4 than a new car for lifetime emissions-.
See this is what I suspected. The Prius was described by Toyota as the first environmentally conscious vehicle, aimed at a generation of people who want to save the World. It became the de facto 'Green' symbol, everybody in the public eye had to be seen with one to make some sort of statement.so, bought for cheaper tax, or because your smug, or because you hate automobiles...
another reason is that they are in no way eco-friendly, because of both the materials used and the shipping distance involved... -might as well have an older 4x4 than a new car for lifetime emissions-.
You mention the lifetime eco credentials - or lack of - of the Prius, when a car is billed as being super green then we will judge it on how green it is and unfortunately for Toyota its not that green at all. We dont judge other hybrids by these standards because other hybrids weren't launched claiming to be the greenest thing on the road.
There are some people who are idiotic enough to believe its marketing blurb who buy the thing with such smugness on their faces but should we let their idiotic buying reasons affect our judgement of the Prius purely as a vehicle? Seems a bit harsh considering the car itself didn't do any of this.
The green halo would make me uncomfortable owning one mainly because everybody else would think that I think its a planet saver. If one of you lot saw me in it you wouldn't let me out of a side road because of its green halo, even though you know f
k all about the person behind the wheel. I think the green halo was a mistake for Toyota and they could've sold even more of them if they just marketed it as a large 5 door reliable automatic hatchback which doesnt cost the earth to run without the need for a diesel engine. If someone marketed it to me like that I'd go 'very nice.'Unfortunately Toyota were more interested in launching an environmental agenda rather than just selling a car.
Du1point8 said:
cause they are pushed as eco friendly cars and yet they are some of the most destructive on the planet... unless they have found a way to make the batteries out of something other than nickel.
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
Du1point8 said:
cause they are pushed as eco friendly cars and yet they are some of the most destructive on the planet... unless they have found a way to make the batteries out of something other than nickel.
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
You're right on all of it but the Prius is the only car we judge by these standards. We dont judge a BMW 5 series from the energy costs of making the car because the 5 series doesnt claim to bring extinct species back to life.The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
I really don't mind the thing because for plenty of customers it can make perfect mathematical sense. If you want a reliable large 5 door automatic with good running costs which isn't a diesel then there's little else to pick from. I think MOST people driving them in the UK drive it for that reason or because its appealing as a company car, the people driving them dont drive them because they want to save the world - they want to save their wallet.
In America it's slightly different though as lots of people drive them who don't particularly need them because they want to show to everybody how they're doing their bit
Because, at the end of the day its a con and a stick used by the yoghurt knitting brigade to beat us round the head with & intelligent people don't like being taken for mugs & being conned
I doubt you'd find a single PHer who doesn't think that energy efficiency, not wasting energy or materials and then using them sensibly & generally trying not to destroy the environment are generically good concepts.
But being taxed to death to pay for idiocy such as windfarms & drowning in clouds of "smug" eminating from those touting the likes of the Prius as the saviours of the planet is nothing short of nauseating for those that actually bother to scratch the surface & understand what goes on with things like the process by which the Prius batteries are made.
Its not "green", part of its manufacturing process is hideously wasteful and overall, its not that fuel efficient, its a con (and the same goes for most , if not all, of the other hybrids).
I doubt you'd find a single PHer who doesn't think that energy efficiency, not wasting energy or materials and then using them sensibly & generally trying not to destroy the environment are generically good concepts.
But being taxed to death to pay for idiocy such as windfarms & drowning in clouds of "smug" eminating from those touting the likes of the Prius as the saviours of the planet is nothing short of nauseating for those that actually bother to scratch the surface & understand what goes on with things like the process by which the Prius batteries are made.
Its not "green", part of its manufacturing process is hideously wasteful and overall, its not that fuel efficient, its a con (and the same goes for most , if not all, of the other hybrids).
Edited by Wombat3 on Wednesday 11th April 02:24
I used to be an environmentalist like you guys, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I now have an "adapt or die" philosophy, where the extinction of one species paves the way for other species. Where the death of an organism provides nutrition for other organisms. Where pollution drives evolution. It's impossible for humans to sterilise the Earth, therefore we cannot kill the Earth.
Verily, I couldn't give a flying squirrel about the environmental impact of the manufacturing of the prius.
All I see is an alternative way to power cars. Hybrids can be used to make cars faster (like F1), or cars more efficient, like the prius. I don't mind them at all, in fact, for the price, they're not bad but they're not my kind of car. I'd rather have a GT86 (not long to go now)...
I now have an "adapt or die" philosophy, where the extinction of one species paves the way for other species. Where the death of an organism provides nutrition for other organisms. Where pollution drives evolution. It's impossible for humans to sterilise the Earth, therefore we cannot kill the Earth.
Verily, I couldn't give a flying squirrel about the environmental impact of the manufacturing of the prius.
All I see is an alternative way to power cars. Hybrids can be used to make cars faster (like F1), or cars more efficient, like the prius. I don't mind them at all, in fact, for the price, they're not bad but they're not my kind of car. I'd rather have a GT86 (not long to go now)...
Hybrids in principle are a good idea in practice however
things are not as rosy and the Prius in particular
Seems to have been exposed as something of a con
being about as UNeco friendly as its possible to
be in its manufacture short of powering it with
plutonium.
With the now well known saga of it's battery's causing mayhem
during production then using vast amounts of CO2 producing
fuel in transit both to Japan then (assembled with the rest of the car)
shipping it to distributors across the planet.
so it is well into the red as far as being a "green" car before it even leaves
a dealers forecourt.
Then it seems to have been bought by ignorant eco nazi's
Or bought as a company car as a tax break.
My laptop is better made with nicer quality plastics!
And it is unforgivably hideously ugly.
ETA for the "true" green person then for a (whole life cycle) then a classic
series landrover or an early V8 (yesV8) rangerover on LPG is by a very long way
greener than ANY of the so called ECO cars of today due to simple
construction and the sheer age they can (with a bit of spannering) be made to last.
things are not as rosy and the Prius in particular
Seems to have been exposed as something of a con
being about as UNeco friendly as its possible to
be in its manufacture short of powering it with
plutonium.
With the now well known saga of it's battery's causing mayhem
during production then using vast amounts of CO2 producing
fuel in transit both to Japan then (assembled with the rest of the car)
shipping it to distributors across the planet.
so it is well into the red as far as being a "green" car before it even leaves
a dealers forecourt.
Then it seems to have been bought by ignorant eco nazi's
Or bought as a company car as a tax break.
My laptop is better made with nicer quality plastics!
And it is unforgivably hideously ugly.
ETA for the "true" green person then for a (whole life cycle) then a classic
series landrover or an early V8 (yesV8) rangerover on LPG is by a very long way
greener than ANY of the so called ECO cars of today due to simple
construction and the sheer age they can (with a bit of spannering) be made to last.
Edited by ShayneJ on Wednesday 11th April 04:01
Yes there are other hybrids. But the Prius was the poster child of the hybrid green automotive movement.
The mk1 was lauded as the planets saviour when the 520D was more efficient and didnt contain a boatload of nikel etc.
Someone where I work has a mkII, the batteries are dead, they cant/wont pay for them to be replaced, they havnt had them removed. Hows that helping the planet...
The mk1 was lauded as the planets saviour when the 520D was more efficient and didnt contain a boatload of nikel etc.
Someone where I work has a mkII, the batteries are dead, they cant/wont pay for them to be replaced, they havnt had them removed. Hows that helping the planet...
deltashad said:
Du1point8 said:
cause they are pushed as eco friendly cars and yet they are some of the most destructive on the planet... unless they have found a way to make the batteries out of something other than nickel.
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
The plants that creates the nickel had a deadzone round it due to pollution.
Then they take that nickel and ship it to European refineries before going to China and then finally Japan.
So the energy and costs of making the car are astronomical...
If something has changed then please tell me, but I would assume they would be shouting it from the roof tops if that had been achieved.
Not so eco car being shoved down the throats of motorists by eco warriors and celbs, when its actually not at all.
Thats my 2p
Any thoughts on the car in the picture?
And i really hope your car doesn't have any of these fitted
Nickel is a fantastic metal and its applications are
The fraction of global nickel production presently used for various applications is as follows: 60% for making nickel steels; 14% in nickel-copper alloys and nickel silver; 9% to make malleable nickel, nickel clad, Inconel, and other superalloys; 6% in plating; 3% for nickel cast irons; 3% in heat and electric resistance alloys, such as Nichrome; 2% for nickel brasses and bronzes; 3% in all other applications combined.
So if you want to go on some daily mail inspired bilge about nickel mining go ahead, be my guest. But do be aware you are talking 97% total b
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