Oil. It's everywhere. $60-$80 oil on the horizon again
Oil. It's everywhere. $60-$80 oil on the horizon again
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pilchardthecat

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7,483 posts

201 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Can't move for all the oil knocking about.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...

"UK offshore reserves of shale gas could exceed one thousand trillion cubic feet (tcf), compared to current rates of UK gas consumption of 3.5 tcf a year, or five times the latest estimate of onshore shale gas of 200 trillion cubic feet.

Reserves of 200 tcf would put the UK in the top 20 countries with the highest shale reserves, alongside Brazil, and 1,000 tcf would put Britain in the same league as estimates for China, the United States and Argentina, top dogs in global shale potential. "

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"One senior petroleum geologist working for a major oil company estimates that offshore oil production from shale could drop to $60 and $80 per barrel once the exploration technology matures and is used on a larger scale around the world. Oil currently sells at $120 a barrel."

sherman

14,809 posts

237 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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The price of petrol going down =

Deluded

4,968 posts

213 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Nice.

Doubt it will mean anything to the end user though. No doubt the government will just ramp up the tax to keep the price the same and laugh all the way to the bank.

MissChief

7,791 posts

190 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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OPEC will slash production to keep the price high.

psychoR1

1,105 posts

209 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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No surprise there then.

The misinformation over oil running out is the biggest crime of the century!

Toffer

1,528 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Shell Shalepower? smile

davemac250

4,499 posts

227 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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MissChief said:
OPEC will slash production to keep the price high.
Afraid I have to agree with this.

Cannot see OPEC giving up the levels of price, and profit, the world has shown itself prepared to accept and sustain.

LukeSi

5,780 posts

183 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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woohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoo

Oh god please let fuel become affordable again.

12gauge

1,274 posts

196 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Its not that oil is particularly expensive, its the dollar its priced in (and pound) that are a lot more worthless than they used to be, and will continue to be so long as Bernanke and Merv keep printing currency. Priced in local currencies, between early 2002 and early 2012, the pump price has gone up about 35% in Switzerland (ie, similar to the general inflation rate)where the currency still has faith in it, compared to nearly 100% in the UK, and over 200% in the US.


martin84

5,366 posts

175 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Oil isnt all that expensive now, these 'record soaring prices' still translate to 60p a litre for petrol. Unfortunately the Tories escalator pathetically dubbed 'stabiliser' will bring above inflation fuel duty increases if oil does indeed sink this low again.

Dr G

15,769 posts

264 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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There being more, recoverable oil/gas than we know about today is likely.

That oil/gas becoming economically viable to extract is likely.

The price of pump fuel ever going down (considerably) in the UK, regardless of cost price is unlikely.

Too many people like f*****g the motorist for the status quo to change much.

martin84

5,366 posts

175 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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We've known theres plenty of Oil out there for ages. Scare stories about it running out anytime soon have always been a load of nonsense. We still cannot be anywhere on Earth without being far from plenty of Oil. The price of Oil isn't whats going to price everyone off UK roads and destroy the economy - tax will.

hairykrishna

14,330 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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There is, of course, st loads of oil. Anyone who talks about it 'running out' doesn't really understand the problem. The real problems are extracting it at a rate that meets demand, extracting it for an economically viable price and extracting it in a manner that has a reasonable EROI.

psychoR1

1,105 posts

209 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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davemac250 said:
MissChief said:
OPEC will slash production to keep the price high.
Afraid I have to agree with this.

Cannot see OPEC giving up the levels of price, and profit, the world has shown itself prepared to accept and sustain.
But opec will run out of oil and loose the ability to control price eventually. Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan has all been about who has the biggest pipe drawing from the same field.

Libya, Tunisia, Algeria will be the next oil hotspots followed by South America but they are deepwater reserves so higher Cost of Extraction (COE).

anonymous-user

76 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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LukeSi said:
woohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoo

Oh god please let fuel become affordable again.
The fuel is, it's the tax that isn't frown.

Cheap fuel will only mean more congestion as the 'poor/me' can start to afford to go on days out again smile

MissChief

7,791 posts

190 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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psychoR1 said:
But opec will run out of oil and loose the ability to control price eventually. Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan has all been about who has the biggest pipe drawing from the same field.

Libya, Tunisia, Algeria will be the next oil hotspots followed by South America (Venezuela and Ecuador) but they are deepwater reserves so higher Cost of Extraction (COE).
I hate to say it but those in bold are already members so finding oil in these places will do little. besides, if a large amount of oil is found in Tunisia it wouldn't take much to make them join OPEC. They'll likely get a better price being part of OPEC than being separate. it's not like their oil won't sell is it?

Baryonyx

18,211 posts

181 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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LukeSi said:
woohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoo

Oh god please let fuel become affordable again.
Don't expect this bent government to ever give you a break. They might appease us with a 3p a litre decrease in pricing, but they'll not want to do without the tax. They don't want to lose out and they have nothing to gain by doing the right thing and ceasing the war on the motorist.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

220 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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Not when we have 1 trillion is debt and will climb a further 126billion this tax year then £90billion the next then £50billion the next then £20billion the next.

It's another 4 years until we balance the books. We need to cut the total structural debt.
Remember that currently we are spending more in debt interest than the whole tax take from the VED and fuel duty plus VAT.


Would you rather income tax went up a few %?

davemac250

4,499 posts

227 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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There are many arguments that an increase on base rate income tax and further for higher tax payers is more likely to help the economy recover, rather than hitting all of industry with fuel duty hikes.

The government may have to look at this ad revenue from fuel tax decreases from more efficient cars, lower usage from costs etc.

I'd rather the income tax was addressed instead of fuel tax and hen income tax. Not like the fuel tax will drop.

Merp

2,262 posts

274 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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I was recently in Canada with work, speaking to some of the mining guys they said that the oil sands in Canada produce 500,000 barrels of oil a day.

Madness, the second largest oil reserve in the world but its never banged on about in the news.

They also pay haul truck drivers ~$150-300k per year to work there with a $25,000 a year bonus for staying....not a bad little earner if your young or looking to do a few years and retire early.

Saying that its in the middle of knowhere and its 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.