Would you buy one of these new low CC turbo cars?

[okie592]

The way car markets are going, small capacity turboed cars seem to be the way new cars are going. Would you buy one? i had a go in a fabia vrs, 180bhp from a 1.4 and it felt amazing, and i Imagen if looked after well they shouldn't go wrong any more than a normal car goes.

im just warey of how much engine noise ingress into the cabin there would be at s;eed.

the 1.0l ecoboost in the new focus should be interesting

[RobCrezz]

Already got one

[Jimbo.]

In a heartbeat. For what should be horrible, hateful ecomobiles, they're damn interesting, and they're only just getting started. The technology and the different approached adopted is fascinating: light weight? High compression? Compact? Turbocharging? Supercharging? Miller cycle engine? Every manufacture is going about it in different ways, all getting promising results, both from an economy and a performance POV.

The Ford 1.0 Ecoboost is supposed to be *very* good, and that's in the 1.2 Tonne Focus. Ford have said they're putting it in the Fiesta, so that should be a hoot, and frugal with it. Sorted!

EDIT: re. durability: shouldn't think it'd be an issue. Isn't there someone on here involved with the Ford Ecoboost development? Something about the turbos being expected to last (and tested for) 150,000 miles minimum?

Edited by Jimbo. on Sunday 22 April 17:21

[mat777]

...but how long will these small, highly stressed engines last in comparison to a bigger, more relaxed engine before they need major work.

I'm thinking sheades of the Evo FQ400 service schedule here

[v8will]

I think in a few years we will have little choice.

[Jimbo.]

mat777 said:

...but how long will these small, highly stressed engines last in comparison to a bigger, more relaxed engine before they need major work.

I'm thinking sheades of the Evo FQ400 service schedule here

As per my edit about. Plus, they're developing these cars for sale around the world, so have to put up with ultra-fussy/demanding American customers, the German who keeps his car for 10+ years, the up-n-coming Chinese buyer using poor-quality fuels, mad Italian drivers or Greek roads. I've every confidence in them

EDIT: Plus the Evo was using an ancient engine IIRC, dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century with a 'ruddy great turbocharger. These new engines are just that - all new. New materials, new...everything.

[CedricN]

I have a Ibiza cupra(same engine as the fabia), 28000km so far in it's first year. Absolutely love it, good consumption and sweet performance. The low end power is so nice when you want to overtake our run around town. But it would be Little scary if things start to brake if you would own it after warranty. :-)

Everyday cars without turbo feels passé to me, could work with a big capacity engine or tdi, but a base 1.6 or equiv feels painfully slow since i changed the dailyd too the cupra :-)

Edit: even the 1.2t is much better than a larger non turbo engine, you get a much wider power band..

Edited by CedricN on Sunday 22 April 17:27

[martynr]

mat777 said:

...but how long will these small, highly stressed engines last in comparison to a bigger, more relaxed engine before they need major work.

I'm thinking sheades of the Evo FQ400 service schedule here

Exactly what I thought. The smaller engine is usually killed in a shorter space of time.

[okie592]

Jimbo. said:

In a heartbeat. For what should be horrible, hateful ecomobiles, they're damn interesting, and they're only just getting started. The technology and the different approached adopted is fascinating: light weight? High compression? Compact? Turbocharging? Supercharging? Miller cycle engine? Every manufacture is going about it in different ways, all getting promising results, both from an economy and a performance POV.

The Ford 1.0 Ecoboost is supposed to be *very* good, and that's in the 1.2 Tonne Focus. Ford have said they're putting it in the Fiesta, so that should be a hoot, and frugal with it. Sorted!

EDIT: re. durability: shouldn't think it'd be an issue. Isn't there someone on here involved with the Ford Ecoboost development? Something about the turbos being expected to last (and tested for) 150,000 miles minimum?

Edited by Jimbo. on Sunday 22 April 17:21

i think they are brilliant, a 1.0 with the power of a 1.6 is a great idea. im considering a 1.2 in a ibiza or a 1.4t in a punto with 150bhp.

[CatJ]

Yes I would. I understand that the 1.0 Focus is very good.

[ArsE92]

v8will said:

I think in a few years we will have little choice.

This.

Until then I will continue to rebel!

[y2blade]

okie592 said:

The way car markets are going, small capacity turboed cars seem to be the way new cars are going. Would you buy one? i had a go in a fabia vrs, 180bhp from a 1.4 and it felt amazing, and i Imagen if looked after well they shouldn't go wrong any more than a normal car goes.

im just warey of how much engine noise ingress into the cabin there would be at s;eed.

the 1.0l ecoboost in the new focus should be interesting


Would you buy one of these new low CC turbo cars?

Yep

[J4CKO]

Capacity is irrelevant, its all about the power delivery and this new Focus gets a much better rating than the 1.6 an possibly even bigger petrols. This isnt an "enthusiast" engine, it is to do a job for those who don't really care how the job gets done, that said, even none Petrolheads know when a car has enough power as they dont get frustrated with it, they dont know how many pounds feet of torque it has at however many rpm or what a BHP is, thats for us car geeks.

Will be interesting to see the real world economy, I know the Fiat Twinair can be fairly thirsty when the power is used but I guess to produce a given amount of power a certain amount of fuel needs to be burnt, it is really more down to when driven off boost is it like a normal 1.0 in terms of economy, I would reckon a 1.0 Focus will do about 35/38 in normal use, i.e. not far behind a diesel.

[Gwagon111]

The torque figures from the 2 cylinder turbo Panda are astounding, given its tiny capacity

[daydotz]

yes & no it all depends on the reliablty they great on fuel nippy and cheap to run


the 1.0 eco boost & 1.2tsi are good engines but i have reservations about durability long term in larger & heavy vehicles it needs to be within its limits & not over stressed

ive got a 1.4tsi 180 which is proving problematic despite the fact its been around so long in various guises thankfully its under warranty


fiesta with a 1.0 eco boost sounds great

[Dave Hedgehog]

we got a polo gti with the charged/blown 1.4

great engine, goes like stink and gets 40mpg, ate tonnes of oil at first but thrashing the balls of it seams to have cured that

[Willy Nilly]

daydotz said:

the 1.0 eco boost & 1.2tsi are good engines but i have reservations about durability long term in larger & heavy vehicles it needs to be within its limits & not over stressed

They are likely to be fine.

They have been built from the get go to develop that amount of power. Materials get better, manufacturing processes get better, oils get better, testing gets better.

All engines are getting smaller and more reliable/durable.

[Jimbo.]

Willy Nilly said:

They are likely to be fine.

They have been built from the get go to develop that amount of power. Materials get better, manufacturing processes get better, oils get better, testing gets better.

All engines are getting smaller and more reliable/durable.

IIRC the 1.0 Ecoboost has been developed from the outset with the Focus in mind. Many of the mules were Focus'/Focii, so I suspect there shouldn't arise any issues re. too big a car for the engine.

[anonymous-user]

okie592 said:

The way car markets are going, small capacity turboed cars seem to be the way new cars are going.

A bit like the 1985 Fiat Uno Turbo I used to own you mean?

[0a]

Slightly O/T Ford should whack the boost up to get 150+bhp and put the ecoboost into a new Puma based on the Fiesta and weighing around a tonne. Please do it Ford!!!!