FAIR FUEL CAMPAIGN
Discussion
jbi said:
Soovy said:
Oh not again.
The gubberment DO NOT CARE.
it's better than nothing... just fill the bloody thing out.The gubberment DO NOT CARE.
Such a defeatist attitude in this country.
The politicians do not care about what you and I think. Not at all.
This will make no difference. Spend the 10 minutes calling an elderly relative, or your kids. That will.
jbi said:
what have you done to protest the price of fuel?
If nothing than pay up and stay shtum, you obviously don't have a problem with it.
Yeah I pay up and stay shtum. No choice.If nothing than pay up and stay shtum, you obviously don't have a problem with it.
I hate it. Costs me £90 to fill my car these days. Thieves. And this on top of the several tens of grand I pay in PAYE every year.
What's the alternative? Stop using my car? No way, that'd mean they've won. They'd have got what they wanted.
That is the attitude that results in prices continuing to rise. Obviously if the public have not said anything yet the price is not high enough. Repeat as needed.
The fact is, I agree with you that the government does not listen to us, but that does not mean we should just take it.
This is the best supported, most vocal and most organised pressure group I can think of. At the moment this is pretty much our best shot and they deserve our support.
That is of course if you agree with their aims.
The fact is, I agree with you that the government does not listen to us, but that does not mean we should just take it.
This is the best supported, most vocal and most organised pressure group I can think of. At the moment this is pretty much our best shot and they deserve our support.
That is of course if you agree with their aims.
Soovy said:
Yeah I pay up and stay shtum. No choice.
I hate it. Costs me £90 to fill my car these days. Thieves. And this on top of the several tens of grand I pay in PAYE every year.
What's the alternative? Stop using my car? No way, that'd mean they've won. They'd have got what they wanted.
Why would they want you to stop using your car? They won't make any money if that was the aim. I hate it. Costs me £90 to fill my car these days. Thieves. And this on top of the several tens of grand I pay in PAYE every year.
What's the alternative? Stop using my car? No way, that'd mean they've won. They'd have got what they wanted.
Its all about greed IMO. Nothing else.
jbi said:
That is the attitude that results in prices continuing to rise.
Disagree. What causes prices to rise is that we keep electing a bunch of green leaning car hating c nts, who spend too much on giving money away to foreign countries with active space programmes and plenty of fighter jets, fighting wars where we have no business being, and lazy benefit scroungers.PaulB81 said:
The reason the price is so high is tax
The reason the tax on it is high is because they need that revenue
If they take it off fuel they will have to put it on somewhere else
This is pointless
This.The reason the tax on it is high is because they need that revenue
If they take it off fuel they will have to put it on somewhere else
This is pointless
Last time I ventured into one of these threads I tried to explain that to someone and it didn't go down very well
Soovy said:
What's the alternative? Stop using my car? No way, that'd mean they've won. They'd have got what they wanted.
I'd have to dissagree with your last sentence here.The government fully know that most of the public need cars and they know that moving all the private transport load on to public transport is not a workable solution, so they fully expect private transport use to continue and increase over the future years.
Based on this, the taxation is not about 'saving the planet', its about using this religious belief purely as an excuse to levy an additional tax on fuel.
So if you do stop using your private transport the government would actually lose out and so would you. You can only win by doing what you yourself want to do irrespective of the desires of the incompetant set of governments we've had in the past.
The governments of recent years I would say, just from my own opinion, are fully aware of the science behind 'global warming' etc. and fully know that the continual increase or decrease of private and public transport is not going to affect the global climate at all.
The story given to the public however, as is well established, is to create wealth and cash flows that governments can use. Too many people with too much disposable income in many of the deveolped western countries. The government want to get at that with any excuse they can.
PaulB81 said:
The reason the price is so high is tax
The reason the tax on it is high is because they need that revenue
If they take it off fuel they will have to put it on somewhere else
This is pointless
But this tax is on something that I buy a lot of as a car enthusiast. If they reduce fuel duty but decide to cover it by a massive increase in tax on knitting needles (or anything I don't buy) then I will be a lot better off! If they just transfer it to income tax then I'll probably be no worse off than I am now.The reason the tax on it is high is because they need that revenue
If they take it off fuel they will have to put it on somewhere else
This is pointless
I don't think this campaign will change anything on it's own and certainly nothing immediately but we do elect governments and if a large percentage of the population start making it known that they will not vote for a party that encourages "a war on the motorist" then there will be concessions in the future.
For the sake of a 2 minute survey and the odd email from them I'm happy to give it a go. If you don't ask you don't get!
djfaulkner said:
Based on the previous replies....
If you could see where the extra money is going, For example improving the roads, better transport, reducing UK debt
Would you still be asking the tax rate to be cut?
erm....yes!If you could see where the extra money is going, For example improving the roads, better transport, reducing UK debt
Would you still be asking the tax rate to be cut?
Improving the roads should come out of existing tax levies such as road excise duty.
Better transport should come from income tax and should not be an extra burden for the motorist taxations.
UK debt is not a fault of the motorist and therefore motorists should not be additionally taxed as a result.
SILICONEKID340HP said:
Can you tell me where the extra tax will be raised from once tax revenue from fuel goes down?where do you want to pay it?
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