JLR workers reject new practices

[Ozone]

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Is it me or is this echoing the 1960/70's British car industry and JLR will gradually move production abroad?

[Rallynav]

I've just seen this on the news and thought the same thing!

[SystemParanoia]

currently jobless.. i would accept those proposals.

sack em all then employ people that are grateful to actually have work

[tbc]

I doubt they would move production abroad

Jag and Land Rover are the poster children of the coalition government

They government would give every incentive available to keep JLR in the UK

incentive = backhanders

[Fun Bus]

These are probably the same wkers who'll go on strike when TATA take production overseas.

[Ozone]

SystemParanoia said:

currently jobless.. i would accept those proposals.

sack em all then employ people that are grateful to actually have work

I feel for you and understand that, the JLR workers seem to think they can screw Tata and i think they'll be disappointed in the long run.

[anonymous-user]

It's a real shame that the nature of a factory means that either everyone does the extra hours or no one does the extra hours.

It must be crap to be one of the 750 or so people who voted yes and want to improve the site, who now won't get that chance.

[EDLT]

Depends what "a reduction in annual manpower labour costs" means really. If they are making redundancies you could see why people would reject it, the rest of it is pretty hard to argue against though.

[SystemParanoia]

Ozone said:

SystemParanoia said:

currently jobless.. i would accept those proposals.

sack em all then employ people that are grateful to actually have work

I feel for you and understand that, the JLR workers seem to think they can screw Tata and i think they'll be disappointed in the long run.

yup.. TATA will not let unions kill it and suck its entire global turnover into a lazy unproductive black hole that are the unions of the UK.

id rather they move JLR and keep it alive, than leave it here and let it die at knifepoint in the hands of unions

[anonymous-user]

SystemParanoia said:

yup.. TATA will not let unions kill it and suck its entire global turnover into a lazy unproductive black hole that are the unions of the UK.

id rather they move JLR and keep it alive, than leave it here and let it die at knifepoint in the hands of unions

The union supports the package proposed. This is not a union issue, it's a basic people issue where people don't want to give up their Saturdays.

"The Unite union issued a statement expressing “disappointment”, and said a new round of discussions would be held with management."

[Ozone]

SystemParanoia said:

yup.. TATA will not let unions kill it and suck its entire global turnover into a lazy unproductive black hole that are the unions of the UK.

id rather they move JLR and keep it alive, than leave it here and let it die at knifepoint in the hands of unions

As it happens the unions recommended to approve the changes, i think they are looking at the future. I'm not sure they would do that if it meant redundancies TBH.

I'm fairly sure TATA are big enough to move the golden egg elsewhere if necessary. I do wonder if these are the same workers that fretted over their jobs when Ford were in charge.

[SystemParanoia]

i stand corrected.. but you cant deny that this mentality of the workers has come from the way unions have behaved over the last XXX years.


the workers need to realise at the bottom of the job market, 99% of jobs include weekend working as the norm.

if they want to keep their weekends, they need to do some studying, improve their prospects and get themselves promoted to exec level. simple.

[Dave Hedgehog]

some peoples mentality baffles me

i was talking to a college yesterday who is very skilled coder, after 500 job applications he had to take a 50% cut to get a job (and happily did it)

[bencollins]

If someone told me to allow compulsory saturday working, i would tell them to fk off.
People have families to spend time with.
PS that would be laughed at in Germany or Sweden.

[SystemParanoia]

never worked in retail or the service industry then?

the norm is 5 of 7 rotating shift. you only get a free day off on christmas day.. but most likely will be working till 9-10pm xmas eve

[After_Shock]

Typical attitude in this country, what would people rather do work the occassional Saturday as im sure it would be on a Rota and when they do a Saturday probably get another day off during the week, or have all week off because they wont have a job? I didnt realise manufacturing jobs were so easy to come by in the U.K.

Also all the people who voted no I would immediately alcohol and drug test them, if they fail sorry theirs the door and get some people in who would be gratefull for the job.

[VR46]

they are still living in the 70's and will follow the path of british leyland or rover if not careful. tata could move production to india for peanuts.

[bencollins]

SystemParanoia said:

never worked in retail or the service industry then?
the norm is 5 of 7 rotating shift. you only get a free day off on christmas day.. but most likely will be working till 9-10pm xmas eve

My better half work nights, but she signed up for a job that works nights. She didnt start off in a day job and was told, "oh now you have to work nights". I respect people who work non std hours.

[k-ink]

SystemParanoia said:

currently jobless.. i would accept those proposals.

sack em all then employ people that are grateful to actually have work

I think this sums it up.

Why not sack the entire workforce and spend two weeks retraining the new lot. Then add into their contracts: anyone who joins a union will be sacked on the spot. Yes there will be a month of downtime but the future would be set forever.

[Pwig]

Apart from the fact the unions were in favour of the proposals.

Lets not get the facts in the way of a good moan eh.