The Defender will NOT be replaced :)
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Read the good news here... looks like Land Rover have listened to their customer base.
The DC100 will go on the form a separate product line independent of the Defender.
http://www.autojunction.in/india-auto-car-news/Lan...
The DC100 will go on the form a separate product line independent of the Defender.
http://www.autojunction.in/india-auto-car-news/Lan...
I had seen speculation that they might be keeping the defender and marketing the DC100 as an extra line.
Good news IMO, but I wonder how they're going to do it, as I believe it was emissions that were the problem? There's only so efficient you can make a big house brick!
Still want one though!
Good news IMO, but I wonder how they're going to do it, as I believe it was emissions that were the problem? There's only so efficient you can make a big house brick!
Still want one though!
tbc said:
i am still amazed that mountain rescue, goat herders and explorers continue to use Defenders
Land Rovers are by far the most unreliable cars to be developed
give me a Hilux / Land Cruiser any day
Maybe it is because they are not "by far the most unreliable cars to be developed" after all. That is just the common perception. Land Rovers are by far the most unreliable cars to be developed
give me a Hilux / Land Cruiser any day
So how do they plan to get a design from the early 80s through the latest set of crash and emissions tests to keep it on sale in Europe. USA is out for it as it wont pass their tests.
They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
A.J.M said:
So how do they plan to get a design from the early 80s through the latest set of crash and emissions tests to keep it on sale in Europe. USA is out for it as it wont pass their tests.
They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
I get the impression the Defender might become a kind of low-volume, relatively high-cost vehicle built primarily for very serious off-roaders and emergency services. It may well by virtue of this low volume become subject to the same kind of exemptions Morgan is.They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
And in its place, for people who want a simple, capable, practical, cheap off-roader, there will be the DC100.
A.J.M said:
So how do they plan to get a design from the early 80s through the latest set of crash and emissions tests to keep it on sale in Europe. USA is out for it as it wont pass their tests.
They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
Thing is, this really should not be classified as a car and therefore exempt from daft regulations. It's a tool for work for a lot of people and hardly anyone buys one as daily transport. I have one as a company hack and you'd have to be a masochist to want to go long distances in it but I'm glad they're going to carry on with it. That DC100 thing wouldn't last 5 minutes in the field. They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
tbc said:
i am still amazed that mountain rescue, goat herders and explorers continue to use Defenders
Land Rovers are by far the most unreliable cars to be developed
give me a Hilux / Land Cruiser any day
oddly enough if treated as tools and not a appliances and used by knowledgable operaters there's no problems with reliability ... Land Rovers are by far the most unreliable cars to be developed
give me a Hilux / Land Cruiser any day
people criticise standard defenders for not having cross axle locks ,unlike the G-wagen ... but that;s because the Defender's suspension substantially reduces the need for cross locks ...
A.J.M said:
So how do they plan to get a design from the early 80s through the latest set of crash and emissions tests to keep it on sale in Europe. USA is out for it as it wont pass their tests.
They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
Early 80's, don't you mean late 1940's. In design and construction terms the current offering is very very similar to the original. They only sell 20,000 a year, it needs revamped badly.
I like the dc100 idea, build right it could be a hilux rival.
Personally think this might be a bit of a shame, the DC100 looked fairly descent so long as they didn't make the underpinnings too complex and looked to be just the sort of vehicle to sell on mass in the States.
Unless LR are going to. Is it their utility type early days and produce some descent world class trucks then I see little point in them continuing with the current Defender. As much as I love them they are hugely outclassed these days.
Was going with the current shape being made in defender and 90/110 form, yes i know it's a series 3 in bits which is a series 2 and so on... 
I just think it's a shame for both, the current defender is a great car for what it's intended for. But it really needs a full redesign with better transmission, interior space and noise and to be water tight etc.
The hilux, ranger, L200 etc all manage the on road/off road balance, so should the defender.
The dc100 could also be a great idea if it can mirror the current hilux for build and practicality.
A double win for LR imo.
I would love to own a defender, and im a massive LR fan, so im not going on a rant here.
I just think it's a shame for both, the current defender is a great car for what it's intended for. But it really needs a full redesign with better transmission, interior space and noise and to be water tight etc.
The hilux, ranger, L200 etc all manage the on road/off road balance, so should the defender.
The dc100 could also be a great idea if it can mirror the current hilux for build and practicality.
A double win for LR imo.
I would love to own a defender, and im a massive LR fan, so im not going on a rant here.
EDLT said:
British manufacturer continues to produce out-dated rubbish shocker!
As much as I love the Defender, this is a bloody good point.Instead of celebrating a forward thinking company for trying to come up with an improved product, we hold on to our triumphs of the past. Too bloody right it should be killed off.
From the front page, today:
"That's not necessarily a high bar to cross though, as for all its charm the standard Defender is hilariously out of date. Driving one is like wrestling a multigym while being shaken, with one arm in a sling - and getting wet when it rains. Performance has typically been in the realms of cement mixer. Ride and handling? Forget it. For all its tugboat ability too it's never been manoeuvrable, the turning circle hopelessly bad."
"That's not necessarily a high bar to cross though, as for all its charm the standard Defender is hilariously out of date. Driving one is like wrestling a multigym while being shaken, with one arm in a sling - and getting wet when it rains. Performance has typically been in the realms of cement mixer. Ride and handling? Forget it. For all its tugboat ability too it's never been manoeuvrable, the turning circle hopelessly bad."
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