Jag - why so much CO2?

[mat777]

In the near future dad is looking to upgrade his company car due to an impending promotion. Now, he currently has an 11 plate A4 TDIe with its paltry 120 or so g/km output and I'd love for him to get a Jag - possibly an XJ but more likely an XF. However, I dont understand why they do not offer a similar efficiency focussed model to what Merc, Audi and BMW do with their E Class, A6 and 5 Series - which all have a sub 130g/km option. By contrast, the "most efficient jaguar engine ever" in the XF puts out 150, and at this rate my attempts to persuade him to shun Germany for Blighty aren't going to happen due to extra large hammering on tax it will incur. So come on Jag - you may now be the most satisfying to own but you are being slaughtered in the "green" company barge stakes here!

(Also to add.. as if my persuasion job wont already be hard enough based on the fact that his last Jag was a pretty much top spec X-type estate sportline that showed just how top spec it was by squeaking and rattling over every bump. It felt as solid as papier mache compared to the granite 525D that replaced it....)

Edited by mat777 on Thursday 31st May 14:58

[Liokault]

I'v had loads of X types (but only one estate) and not one squeek'd. Are you sure the dash hasnt been out for work?

[V88Dicky]

And what is this huge financial penalty due to 150 grams of plant food gas?

[mat777]

V88Dicky said:

And what is this huge financial penalty due to 150 grams of plant food gas?

An extra £750 @20% or £1500 @40% a year, over, say, a 520eD

[simoid]

V88Dicky said:

And what is this huge financial penalty due to 150 grams of plant food gas?

Something like an additional 5% of the car's list price, annually, in tax.

[mat777]

Liokault said:

I'v had loads of X types (but only one estate) and not one squeek'd. Are you sure the dash hasnt been out for work?

yes - he had it from new and it was generally a tinny, badly screwed together pile, which is why I'm going to have a job convincing him to go back to Jag (even though the XF is now on/abovve a par with the Germans) without the added issue of financial bumraping

[V88Dicky]

mat777 said:

V88Dicky said:

And what is this huge financial penalty due to 150 grams of plant food gas?

An extra £750 @20% or £1500 @40% a year, over, say, a 520eD

So between about £14 - £28 per week more than the BMW?
Depends how much he wants a Jaaag then I suppose.

[V88Dicky]

mat777 said:

yes - he had it from new and it was generally a tinny, badly screwed together pile, which is why I'm going to have a job convincing him to go back to Jag (even though the XF is now on/abovve a par with the Germans) without the added issue of financial bumraping

Was it a late model car, 2009? I seem to recall that when the scousers building the X-Type at Halewood were told the plant was going to shut, they stopped caring about their work.

[mat777]

V88Dicky said:

So between about £14 - £28 per week more than the BMW?
Depends how much he wants a Jaaag then I suppose.

It might not be to you but thats an annoyingly large amount of money on a weekly basis for some of us, just to have the pleasure of a Jag over a ubiquitous German barge.

[blugnu]

I still have the brochures from when I tried to persuade my dad to get an Alfa 33 Sportwagon. He didn't get one. The Cavalier he got instead was utterly reliable and comfortable, and that suited him perfectly. Dads know best.

[simoid]

blugnu said:

Dads know bestare boring

[V88Dicky]

mat777 said:

V88Dicky said:

So between about £14 - £28 per week more than the BMW?
Depends how much he wants a Jaaag then I suppose.

It might not be to you but thats an annoyingly large amount of money on a weekly basis for some of us, just to have the pleasure of a Jag over a ubiquitous German barge.

You don't need to tell me. My wife runs a V8 S-Type as her 'company' car, which means a monthly allowance of about 400 quid to fund a suitable car.

[Grovsie26]

150grams. Thats hardly braking the bank if you can afford a Jag is it.

Dam poor daddy he got problems.

[Caulkhead]

mat777 said:

In the near future dad is looking to upgrade his company car due to an impending promotion. Now, he currently has an 11 plate A4 TDIe with its paltry 120 or so g/km output and I'd love for him to get a Jag - possibly an XJ but more likely an XF. However, I dont understand why they do not offer a similar efficiency focussed model to what Merc, Audi and BMW do with their E Class, A6 and 5 Series - which all have a sub 130g/km option. By contrast, the "most efficient jaguar engine ever" in the XF puts out 150,

Because the A4 has what, about 130bhp and a manual box? Who the hell would want that in a £55k Jag XJ or even XF?

The BMW 5 ED is really low CO2 but it's geared for interplanetary travel and not much fun. Tell him to get a car allowance and he can drive what the hell he likes then without worrying about nanny-state CO2 bks.

PS - my daily business hack is post 2006 for tax, kills bunnies and small children with it's 245g of CO2 and won't consider running on anything less than Tesco 99!

Edited by Caulkhead on Thursday 31st May 15:48

[mat777]

Caulkhead said:

Tell him to get a car allowance and he can drive what the hell he likes then without worrying about nanny-state CO2 bks.

I'd assume this has some drawbacks otherwise everyone would be doing it?

[V88Dicky]

mat777 said:

Caulkhead said:

Tell him to get a car allowance and he can drive what the hell he likes then without worrying about nanny-state CO2 bks.

I'd assume this has some drawbacks otherwise everyone would be doing it?

See my earlier post. My missus gets a monthly allowance to fund whatever the hell she likes.
This does mean however, having to put up with just a 300hp V8, and having to maintain and tax it yourself. You even have to pay for your own fuel! It runs on an ether type liquid called petroleum spirit apparantly.

[mat777]

V88Dicky said:

mat777 said:

Caulkhead said:

Tell him to get a car allowance and he can drive what the hell he likes then without worrying about nanny-state CO2 bks.

I'd assume this has some drawbacks otherwise everyone would be doing it?

See my earlier post. My missus gets a monthly allowance to fund whatever the hell she likes.
This does mean however, having to put up with just a 300hp V8, and having to maintain and tax it yourself. You even have to pay for your own fuel! It runs on an ether type liquid called petroleum spirit apparantly.

Ah, now you see that probably wouldnt be viable as at the minute our intergalactic mileage is funded by company fuel card

[V88Dicky]

She's lucky in that she only does 10k per year, so diesel is an irrelevance. Thank Christ.

[blugnu]

mat777 said:

Ah, now you see that probably wouldnt be viable as at the minute our intergalactic mileage is funded by company fuel card

I'm sure there is a way you can claim back the fuel cost in taxation, but the allowance ought to be enough to cover the miles they expect the driver to cover.

Of course, if dad is getting promoted they will be paying him too much for him to just be driving - surely he'll spend more time at the office now?

[TheEnd]

What are the performance differences?

BMW efficient dynamics and Merc Blue something are specifically downtuned for stuff like that.

These would represent a sub-layer that other manufacturers wouldn't really bother with.