VED changes being considered
Discussion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring...
Tax Man say: "If you buy a cleaner car it will cost you less"
Car Company say: "If I mess with my performance on an artificial fuel consumption cycle I will sell more cars"
Joe Public say: "I will spend £10k to change my perfectly acceptable car for a car that has better MPG to save £120 on tax each year"
Tax Man say: "Revenues are falling, we encourage everyone to buy low emission cars with incentives and people have taken them"
Ministers say: "How do we stop ourselves running out of money?!"
Tax Man say: "Ratchet up tax on cars"
Labour supporting papers say: "We'd never have done this, it's a stealth tax" (and then do it anyway)
Tory supporting papers say: "We must balance the books and how can it be a stealth tax when it's in the Telegraph?"
Seriously though, does it really come as a surprise that when you put a financial advantage on something people do in fact carry on in that manner. I don't think it should and I firmly believe that all governments, whatever their colour would have to consider what would happen when motorists actually follow what is being asked. If you bang the drum long enough and loud enough eventually even the newest recruits will march in time...
Personally, I'm all in favour of using fuel more efficiently, just don't try and con me that your Hyundai i20 will get 88mpg in the real world.
Tax Man say: "If you buy a cleaner car it will cost you less"
Car Company say: "If I mess with my performance on an artificial fuel consumption cycle I will sell more cars"
Joe Public say: "I will spend £10k to change my perfectly acceptable car for a car that has better MPG to save £120 on tax each year"
Tax Man say: "Revenues are falling, we encourage everyone to buy low emission cars with incentives and people have taken them"
Ministers say: "How do we stop ourselves running out of money?!"
Tax Man say: "Ratchet up tax on cars"
Labour supporting papers say: "We'd never have done this, it's a stealth tax" (and then do it anyway)
Tory supporting papers say: "We must balance the books and how can it be a stealth tax when it's in the Telegraph?"
Seriously though, does it really come as a surprise that when you put a financial advantage on something people do in fact carry on in that manner. I don't think it should and I firmly believe that all governments, whatever their colour would have to consider what would happen when motorists actually follow what is being asked. If you bang the drum long enough and loud enough eventually even the newest recruits will march in time...
Personally, I'm all in favour of using fuel more efficiently, just don't try and con me that your Hyundai i20 will get 88mpg in the real world.
It makes sense to just stick it on fuel. Doing 25k a year in a Bluemotion? Then that's lots of wear and tear and pollution... so you pay more. Doing 5k a year in a Yank v8? Then you're polluting. Only 'fair' way about it.
But I agree with this quote "“Green taxes are supposed to change behaviour, but VED as it stands is not a good green tax, because there is little scope for motorists to change their behaviour except by getting rid of their car, which usually isn’t practical”
But I agree with this quote "“Green taxes are supposed to change behaviour, but VED as it stands is not a good green tax, because there is little scope for motorists to change their behaviour except by getting rid of their car, which usually isn’t practical”
Isn't it lovely how quickly they have forgotten that the grotesque tax on fuel was to encourage green behaviour.
Personally I couldn't give two short sharp s
ts about the environment, but I'm driving. 99g/km Diesel at 50mpg to save a few quid on the commute. Having finally changed my behaviour, in the interest of flowers and badgers, now the tax will go up to pay for chavs to have kahn slices. And still the potholes won't get fixed.
Personally I couldn't give two short sharp s
ts about the environment, but I'm driving. 99g/km Diesel at 50mpg to save a few quid on the commute. Having finally changed my behaviour, in the interest of flowers and badgers, now the tax will go up to pay for chavs to have kahn slices. And still the potholes won't get fixed. muffinmenace said:
It makes sense to just stick it on fuel. Doing 25k a year in a Bluemotion? Then that's lots of wear and tear and pollution... so you pay more. Doing 5k a year in a Yank v8? Then you're polluting. Only 'fair' way about it.
This ^^ .I only do 5/6K in my V8 ayear, so doing less harm then a 20K ayear devils s
t pot 
007 VXR said:
muffinmenace said:
It makes sense to just stick it on fuel. Doing 25k a year in a Bluemotion? Then that's lots of wear and tear and pollution... so you pay more. Doing 5k a year in a Yank v8? Then you're polluting. Only 'fair' way about it.
This ^^ .I only do 5/6K in my V8 ayear, so doing less harm then a 20K ayear devils s
t pot miniman said:
007 VXR said:
muffinmenace said:
It makes sense to just stick it on fuel. Doing 25k a year in a Bluemotion? Then that's lots of wear and tear and pollution... so you pay more. Doing 5k a year in a Yank v8? Then you're polluting. Only 'fair' way about it.
This ^^ .I only do 5/6K in my V8 ayear, so doing less harm then a 20K ayear devils s
t pot 
B******D So what are they just going to change all road tax to 480.00 a year ?
telegraph said:
The Office of Budget Responsibility this year cut its forecast for VED revenues by £100 million a year from 2014/15 to reflect the move towards cleaner cars.
Making up that shortfall would cost the equivalent of £20 a year for every motorist in the country.
Some quick man maths makes that 5 million cars in the UK.Making up that shortfall would cost the equivalent of £20 a year for every motorist in the country.
I thought there were more than 30 million
That would be £3.5 for every motorist in the country - is someone trying it on?
Never miniman said:
because the only way to support the welfare system and grossly bloated public sector is to tax the average joe to buggery and back.
I'm wondering what the end game in this is going to be. It seems that each year we're getting taxed more and more in one way or another. The Government are just going to keep going until a tipping point is reached. What will happen when that tipping point is reached? Or will we all just keep bending over and taking it without so much as a reach-around?
Fox- said:
About time they sorted this out. There is absolutely no sense at all in a 520d attracting Vehicle Excise Duty of just £35 a year. It's just daft.
Road tax needs to go, and put that cost on fuel, IMHO (but this could balls up transport companys, and push up the cost of goods) 
How PH is it that it only took four replies for the Welfare system to get mentioned in this thread? 
Motoring taxes wont rise to meet the Welfare bill, they'll rise because Government is greedy. Government feels it has a god given right to our money, and the public choosing to save it is seen as 'lost revenue' by the Government and they want it back. Try and kid yourselves into believing a Tory Government with a low welfare bill wouldn't take the same approach.
It is nice to see the greenwashing collapsing in spectacular fashion though, for years we were told high fuel tax/car tax etc was to encourage greener behaviour, so much so you'd think the Governments perfect world would be one with no motoring tax revenue at all, surely they should've been giving it all to charity because its prime function was to change behaviour, not save money
They made motoring ridiculously expensive to encourage us into eco-boxes and we've done that, now they want their money back. Last year the AA said the UK sells nearly 2billion litres less of fuel every year than just 5 years ago, therefore the Government 'loses money' due to our more economical cars, so they'll up the tax to chase revenue down.
If the penny doesnt drop then we'll eventually just have one motorist left, driving round a desolate wasteland paying £500 a litre.
Motoring taxes wont rise to meet the Welfare bill, they'll rise because Government is greedy. Government feels it has a god given right to our money, and the public choosing to save it is seen as 'lost revenue' by the Government and they want it back. Try and kid yourselves into believing a Tory Government with a low welfare bill wouldn't take the same approach.
It is nice to see the greenwashing collapsing in spectacular fashion though, for years we were told high fuel tax/car tax etc was to encourage greener behaviour, so much so you'd think the Governments perfect world would be one with no motoring tax revenue at all, surely they should've been giving it all to charity because its prime function was to change behaviour, not save money
They made motoring ridiculously expensive to encourage us into eco-boxes and we've done that, now they want their money back. Last year the AA said the UK sells nearly 2billion litres less of fuel every year than just 5 years ago, therefore the Government 'loses money' due to our more economical cars, so they'll up the tax to chase revenue down.
If the penny doesnt drop then we'll eventually just have one motorist left, driving round a desolate wasteland paying £500 a litre.
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