Evo 3 - BMW 0

[donutsina911]

I know the 330d is a bit of a barge, but it's bloody brisk barge and all the usual bullst about 'real world' performance, economy blah blah really does apply to the 330d. But bugger me, I had a play with a Mitsubishi Evo VI this week and other than on a few bends/roundabouts and at the upper end of our speeds, it absolutely, totally, completely and epically blew my Beemer away. I knew that all things being equal it'd be quicker, but not by this much, and not on some pretty long stretches where I mistakenly thought the Evo would tail off. And if the driver of the silver/grey Evo VI heading out of Portsmouth earlier this week is a PH'er - the hand signal I gave you was a thumbs up!

[Dave Hedgehog]

something wrong here, you need to get your remap checked

[300bhp/ton]

donutsina911 said:

I know the 330d is a bit of a barge, but it's bloody brisk barge and all the usual bullst about 'real world' performance, economy blah blah really does apply to the 330d. But bugger me, I had a play with a Mitsubishi Evo VI this week and other than on a few bends/roundabouts and at the upper end of our speeds, it absolutely, totally, completely and epically blew my Beemer away. I knew that all things being equal it'd be quicker, but not by this much, and not on some pretty long stretches where I mistakenly thought the Evo would tail off. And if the driver of the silver/grey Evo VI heading out of Portsmouth earlier this week is a PH'er - the hand signal I gave you was a thumbs up!

Sounds about right. And remember that Evo might not have been stock either. The speed difference of some cars is truly epic out on the open roads sometimes.

[Durzel]

Kindof pointless looking at Evos in terms of comparison as they can be all over the place BHP wise.

[kambites]

Hardly surprising, the Evo probably had close to twice the power to weight ratio if it was a quick one. The 330d is only, what, 180bhp/tonne?

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th June 10:37

[donutsina911]

Would imagine it was far from stock, but then again I may have just over estimated the 330d's abilities. At top end I was closing quite quickly, but everywhere else it was embarrassing. Standing start, rolling start, 30-60 all felt like I was going backwards!

[StottyZr]

Durzel said:

Kindof pointless looking at Evos in terms of comparison as they can be all over the place BHP wise.

If its an Evo VI and its still on the road, it's not going to be pushing standard power

[J4CKO]

Most standard Evo's are circa 300 bhp from the factory, the have 4wd and Active Yaw Control, they are lighter and shorter geared, they are designed to do a road going approximation of a rally car, i.e. to be quick point to point where the BMW is a diesel saloon car, a very nice one with a decent turn of speed, you would need a mapped 335D to match an average Evo 0-100 and even then I doubt it would live with an Evo down anything with bends in it, would need a long motorway stretch to haul past when the Evo runs out of gears or has to stop for petrol.

As has been said, Evo's usually have some kind of tuning done, there are some running 600 bhp plus.

[Bill]

donutsina911 said:

other than on a few bends/roundabouts

Where I suspect the Evo wasn't trying as hard...

On a positive note your car doesn't need servicing every 4.5k and probably does more than twice the MPG, which aree very worthy measures of a car

[donutsina911]

kambites said:

Hardly surprising, the Evo probably had close to twice the power to weight ratio if it was a quick one. The 330d is only, what, 180bhp/tonne?

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th June 10:37

292bhp and 500ish ft/lb so it's not stock, but yeah it's a lardy thing, must be 1600/1700kgs?

[kambites]

donutsina911 said:

kambites said:

Hardly surprising, the Evo probably had close to twice the power to weight ratio if it was a quick one. The 330d is only, what, 180bhp/tonne?

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th June 10:37

292bhp and 500ish ft/lb so it's not stock, but yeah it's a lardy thing, must be 1600/1700kgs?

Closer to 1600kg I think.

That's around 182bhp/tonne, which isn't a huge amount compared to even a standard high-end Evo, let alone a modified one.

[falkster]

J4CKO said:

Most standard Evo's are circa 300 bhp from the factory, the have 4wd and Active Yaw Control, they are lighter and shorter geared, they are designed to do a road going approximation of a rally car, i.e. to be quick point to point where the BMW is a diesel saloon car, a very nice one with a decent turn of speed, you would need a mapped 335D to match an average Evo 0-100 and even then I doubt it would live with an Evo down anything with bends in it, would need a long motorway stretch to haul past when the Evo runs out of gears or has to stop for petrol.

As has been said, Evo's usually have some kind of tuning done, there are some running 600 bhp plus.

I thought GSRs were 260bhp? Even in Evo 7 the standard model was less then 300bhp.

[LeeThr]

Bill said:

donutsina911 said:

other than on a few bends/roundabouts

Where I suspect the Evo wasn't trying as hard...

On a positive note your car doesn't need servicing every 4.5k and probably does more than twice the MPG, which aree very worthy measures of a car

That may be, but the extra costs is more than made up by the extra thrills you get whilst hooning in one

[donutsina911]

Bill said:

Where I suspect the Evo wasn't trying as hard...

On a positive note your car doesn't need servicing every 4.5k and probably does more than twice the MPG, which aree very worthy measures of a car

All things being equal he should have blown me away - but I'm not 100% sure he was familiar with the r/bouts or bends. Either that or I was making up for the barge with my pedalling MPG and servicing costs bring small smiles, but for about 20 minutes I reckon his smiles were much bigger!

[falkster]

LeeThr said:

That may be, but the extra costs is more than made up by the extra thrills you get whilst hooning in one

I'd disagree, I've owned both and, have stated on several occasions, that the FQ300 was by far the worst car I've owned. I can't imagine what it would be like to drive an Evo6!!!
I'd have a 330d over an Evo anyday.

[kambites]

donutsina911 said:

... but for about 20 minutes I reckon his smiles were much bigger!

Is that how long you can drive an Evo for before you have to stop for fuel?

[cerb4.5lee]

I had a little play with an evo a few weeks ago in our 330d & it was obviously quicker but it didnt batter me, but as others have said its the tuning potential of the evo & there are not many standard ones out there.

The problem with the 330d is that the 0 to 60 is reasonable for what is, but 0 to 100 is poor & its a little porky! its wierd because sometimes i drive ours & think its really quick & then others it just feels what it really is, a diesel saloon.

I love the 330d & think its a superb allrounder, but i drove an evo 8 a few years ago running 330bhp & i felt like i could take on the world in it, it cornered amazing, loads of grip & i nearly bought it, but ended up with my cerb instead.Interior is a bit to be desired though in the evo apart from the awesome recaros.

[falkster]

cerb4.5lee said:

I had a little play with an evo a few weeks ago in our 330d & it was obviously quicker but it didnt batter me, but as others have said its the tuning potential of the evo & there are not many standard ones out there.

The problem with the 330d is that the 0 to 60 is reasonable for what is, but 0 to 100 is poor & its a little porky! its wierd because sometimes i drive ours & think its really quick & then others it just feels what it really is, a diesel saloon.

I love the 330d & think its a superb allrounder, but i drove an evo 8 a few years ago running 330bhp & i felt like i could take on the world in it, it cornered amazing, loads of grip & i nearly bought it, but ended up with my cerb instead.Interior is a bit to be desired though in the evo apart from the awesome recaros.

You made the right decision Lee. After the novelty of destroying everything in sight wears off you'll soon be left with a loud, still, poorly equipped, uncomfortable, creaking piece of crap.

[donutsina911]

cerb4.5lee said:

I had a little play with an evo a few weeks ago in our 330d & it was obviously quicker but it didnt batter me, but as others have said its the tuning potential of the evo & there are not many standard ones out there.

The problem with the 330d is that the 0 to 60 is reasonable for what is, but 0 to 100 is poor & its a little porky! its wierd because sometimes i drive ours & think its really quick & then others it just feels what it really is, a diesel saloon.

I love the 330d & think its a superb allrounder, but i drove an evo 8 a few years ago running 330bhp & i felt like i could take on the world in it, it cornered amazing, loads of grip & i nearly bought it, but ended up with my cerb instead.Interior is a bit to be desired though in the evo apart from the awesome recaros.

So true. On the run of the mill commute/waft, you put your toes down and it feels super quick, especially compared to 95% of other cars. But at the end of the day it is, just that - a lardy diesel box with a couple of doors missing.

[Chrisw666]

Lots of cars feel quick in isolation and indeed are quick compared to the majority of cars on the road.

I'm sure that everytime you decide to go from 30mph the 330d feels like it is defying gravity, but when something with serious power, grip and poise gets into it's stride even a car that would be considered properly quick is made to look slow.

Following a 911 Turbo as it accelerated from over 100mph redefined fast for me.