Encap ratings. Are they realistic?
Encap ratings. Are they realistic?
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Sonofabeesting

Original Poster:

599 posts

203 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Hi

So I am new dad looking to get a new car. Obviously safety is important so I have been looking at ENCAP.

What is pistonheads view of these? Are they worth the paper they are written on?

sturobturbo

5,746 posts

166 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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I always thought it was NCAP... Lol. But they do some very thorough testing, yes,

Vulgar LS2

1,785 posts

203 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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I may be wrong but they are tested against cars of the same class, so if you get a panda it's best to crash into another panda smile

I personally wouldn't pay too much attention to ENCAP myself.

EDLT

15,421 posts

226 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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They aren't perfect but it is better than having manufacturers do their own testing or just not having any safety tests at all.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

176 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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IIRC Renault redesigned their crash-cans and bumper beam to lock-in with the crash structures that you get in the NCAP tests and that's why they all get 5 Star.


otolith

64,277 posts

224 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Need to be used advisedly, you should look at all the individual section scores and not just the overall figure. For instance, there are points to be scored by fitting intelligent seatbelt warning chimes and speed limiters.

Negative Creep

25,733 posts

247 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Is it true that they don't test the performance in a rear end collision?

otolith

64,277 posts

224 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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I believe their whiplash test is rear impact, but since they insist on forwarding me to their retarded mobile site, I can't be arsed hunting for the detail. Google NCAP whiplash.

Fox-

13,483 posts

266 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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If you intend to crash in an offset manner into a car of the same size, shape and weight as your own then yes.

Not a lot of people realise the NCAP results cannot be compared between classes - ie a 5 Star Supermini isn't neccesarily safer than a 4 star SUV.

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

193 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Anything recent is safe enough these days, stop worrying about safety.

deadmau5

3,197 posts

200 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Have a search for the video of a Twingo crashing into an old Volvo. It is quite enlightening.

KB_S1

5,967 posts

249 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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deadmau5 said:
Have a search for the video of a Twingo crashing into an old Volvo. It is quite enlightening.
Just had a search.
Did you mean Renault Modus test on 5th gear?

Alfanatic

9,339 posts

239 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Firstly, i would hope that a dedicated, independant specialist organisation would be know what they are talking about, more so than PH.

That said, once you've selected a short list of vehicles that suit your requirements, assuming they are all in the same class, NCAP will tell you which one is the best to have a crash in, but don't just look at the numbers, instead read the detail to know the good and bad points, if it did ok in frontal but excellent for side impacts, etc. results should be comparable across generations too, but as others have said, it gets complicated once you start looking across classes.

Cemesis

771 posts

182 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Common sence is normally enough. A really large car like an Audi Q7 will almost always be much safer in a low-to-medium speed impact. However, such a large car is also quite cumbersome and as such will find it harder to avoid an accident should someone half pull out and you have to voilently steer. On a motorway such cars are obviously more likely to roll should they be swiped from the side but also likely to come off better if rear ended my a vehicle of high mass (like an LGV).

Simply put, you should not just consider saftey in an accident but also your ability to avoid an accident (which is more preferable).

I recall seeing a Police Camera Action or something showing the results of a Range Rover moving across 4 lanes as he was going to miss his exit and joined lane 4 without realising it was moving much slower (it was hidden from view by an HGV). He rear ended a Corsa (5 star N-cap I think) and drove right over the top of it killing the driver and then piled into the back of a near-20 year old Audi estate. The estate car became nearly 2ft shorter but the driver and passenger of that car were OK. The flat rear end prevently the Range Rover getting over the top and the sheer length of it gave a huge crumple zone to absorb the impact. The Range Rover driver was fine.

Volvo do very well in saftey so I'd consider a medium sized volvo such as an S60

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

187 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Personally I think it is better not to crash in the first place. Yes accidents do happen, but you can reduce the risk hugely by watching what you are doing.

Then have a look at the ways to die. RTA's are way down the list and of the people that did die in an RTA, many of them were not wearing seat belts. You are more likely to die from being fat and lazy than driving a "safe" car.

My car will need changing shortly. "Safety" features aren't even a consideration.

hardcorehobbit

1,103 posts

215 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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sturobturbo said:
I always thought it was NCAP... Lol. But they do some very thorough testing, yes,
EuroNCAP, hence ENCAP.

European New Car Assessment Programme IIRC.

Their tests should give you a fairly good idea of what it might be like to have an accident in new cars, but as others have said, it's important to remember that it's only a test and crashes very rarely happen in those specific conditions.

Also, bear in mind they usually test the top of the range with all the airbags, not the boggo one without them.

eybic

9,212 posts

194 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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hardcorehobbit said:
Also, bear in mind they usually test the top of the range with all the airbags, not the boggo one without them.
Do all new cars not come loaded with airbags now? I thought that kind of stuff was standard on all trim levels.

hardcorehobbit

1,103 posts

215 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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eybic said:
Do all new cars not come loaded with airbags now? I thought that kind of stuff was standard on all trim levels.
Still not every car afaik, but most must have some. However, there must be some manufacturers out there who don't think people will notice.

kambites

70,291 posts

241 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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The NCAP tests simulate a car crashing at about 3/4 offset into an unmovable object with roughly the deformation characteristics of another car. How useful that is, probably depends on how often you intend to crash into such an object.

It does fail to take into account that heavier cars are fundamentally safer for their occupants (and more dangerous fore everyone else) in a head-on collision with another car.



So I suppose the question is "what are you planning on crashing into?".

jamei303

3,043 posts

176 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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Definitely worth checking, most vehicles are much of a muchness but some foreign junk still gets shocking results (a Landwind and a Jeep being two I remember)