What causes tyre squeal?
What causes tyre squeal?
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Somewhatfoolish

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Monday 25th June 2012
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Elementary question but I dunno the answer.

martin84

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173 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Driving like a tt.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

166 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Too many revs and bringing the clutch up too quick. hehe

Shaw Tarse

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223 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Road surface?

Somewhatfoolish

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Monday 25th June 2012
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I don't mean how do I spin my wheels. I mean what causes the noise of tyres squealing - it doesn't necessarily require loss of adhesion as far as I can tell

crazy about cars

4,454 posts

189 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Short answer... friction.

Number31

351 posts

243 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Slip angle!

Krikkit

27,725 posts

201 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Like most things that make noise, vibration.

From memory it's the surface of the tyre beginning to vibrate due to slipping around the transition between static and kinetic friction.

benzito

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179 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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do you mean the physics behind it?? I'll have a go - the friction+kinetic energy dissipating into sound energy spin

Jordan Rich

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162 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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The act of the tyre losing and gaining traction hundreds of times a second, each one causing a tiny squeak but at such a rate it sounds like one big squeal.

Somewhatfoolish

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benzito said:
do you mean the physics behind it?? I'll have a go - the friction+kinetic energy dissipating into sound energy spin
Well I could work that much out myself hehe

Basically, a car I drive is producing tyre squeal when cornered enthusiastically - but not anywhere near the limits of adhesion - in a not particularly predictable way.

The tyres are all similar, correct pressure etc. And it really isn't anywhere near grip limits, honest...

kambites

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241 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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It's caused by the surface of the tyre moving at a different speed to the road underneath it. The exact nature of the road surface, tyre material, tread pattern and slip will determine how much it squeaks and at which pitch.

If you're getting tyre squeal excessively at normal driving speeds, then either the combination of your tyres and the road surface you're driving on is unfortunate, or your suspension geometry is out.

Jordan Rich

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162 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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er... slow down? corner at a sensible pace before you lose it and hit something, and check your tread depth.
also what car and what tyres?

Somewhatfoolish

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This mind sound really stupid but is there anything that could sound like tyre squeal but isn't it?

Pistonwot

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Monday 25th June 2012
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Cheap rubber does that! (ie Lingylongylee-y, Nextaron, etc)
If you mean dynamics wise then its something called slip.

Slip angle.
The tyre is travelling forwards (rotational) and when turning a corner it may end up sliding sideways too (like a tiny drift)
The rubber literally drags itself across the road surface and this dragging motion is called SLIP.
This means the tyre is losing rotation and lateral traction and the subsequent noise made by the dragging rubber is the squealing sound we hear.

Speed_Demon

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208 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Somewhatfoolish said:
This mind sound really stupid but is there anything that could sound like tyre squeal but isn't it?
A pig in the passenger seat?

A slipping belt maybe? MAYBE.

Somewhatfoolish

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Speed_Demon said:
A pig in the passenger seat?
That would explain the other day...

Somewhatfoolish

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Pistonwot said:
Cheap rubber does that! (ie Lingylongylee-y, Nextaron, etc)
If you mean dynamics wise then its something called slip.

Slip angle.
The tyre is travelling forwards (rotational) and when turning a corner it may end up sliding sideways too (like a tiny drift)
The rubber literally drags itself across the road surface and this dragging motion is called SLIP.
This means the tyre is losing rotation and lateral traction and the subsequent noise made by the dragging rubber is the squealing sound we hear.
Ok, so cheap rubber will/may make more sound for the same amount of slip? I'm aware it will slip more as well of course...

Jaged

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Monday 25th June 2012
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Somewhatfoolish said:
This mind sound really stupid but is there anything that could sound like tyre squeal but isn't it?
Old fashoined Mud flaps dragging as the car dips on that side while cornering would do it.

Is you car lowered/modified? Wider than standard tyres??
If it is lowered/modified, then the tyres are probably rubbing on the wheel arches or other bits of bodywork.




Somewhatfoolish

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That car isn't modified.

But the mudflaps idea is intriguing because I recall it also happening in a completely straight line with weird camber and come to think of it the corner that seems to set it off most has quite a "tilt" to it as well (which would normally asist with adhesion)