Nissan Navara - Whats the consensus
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biggy888 said:
Hey everyone.
Looking at buying a Navara and have found a D40 outlaw on an 06 plate with 64,000 miles. Engine is a 2,5 TDCi.
Does anyone have any experience with these? pros and cons? Any major issues to look out for?
thanks
No idea what you need it for. But my money would either go on a Land Rover 110/130 or an American pickup truck.Looking at buying a Navara and have found a D40 outlaw on an 06 plate with 64,000 miles. Engine is a 2,5 TDCi.
Does anyone have any experience with these? pros and cons? Any major issues to look out for?
thanks
The Landy will be easier to maintain/repair and have way way way better residual value.
The American trucks are so much better specced, so much more capable and again hold their money well come resale time.
We had one for a year or so,
It was a 61 plate.
Full leather, Auto Air con, Bluetooth, Sat Nav etc.......
Surprisingly comfortable in the front. The back seats are only suitable for kids.
Great on the motorway, good tow vehicle. Dreadful turning circle and big to park, it did have reversing camera's that helped a lot.
We would get another, at the time looked at the alternatives and felt the Nissan was the best, 2nd place Toyota.
Massively different to a 110 Land Rover, far more car like to drive.
The Negative.
We used ours as a family car, so was not abused at all, but the depreciation was horrific after 12 months, and it was very difficult to sell. I believe Toyota have better residuals.
And, parts are very expensive!!!!!!!
It was a 61 plate.
Full leather, Auto Air con, Bluetooth, Sat Nav etc.......
Surprisingly comfortable in the front. The back seats are only suitable for kids.
Great on the motorway, good tow vehicle. Dreadful turning circle and big to park, it did have reversing camera's that helped a lot.
We would get another, at the time looked at the alternatives and felt the Nissan was the best, 2nd place Toyota.
Massively different to a 110 Land Rover, far more car like to drive.
The Negative.
We used ours as a family car, so was not abused at all, but the depreciation was horrific after 12 months, and it was very difficult to sell. I believe Toyota have better residuals.
And, parts are very expensive!!!!!!!
absolutely fantastic
if your looking at 06ish cars, go for an aventura, pretty much the same as the outlaw but you get satnav and more toys and stuff
we love ours, auto gearbox is fantastic and its pretty quick too, miles better than the old L200 animal we used to have
hope this helps,
good luck
if your looking at 06ish cars, go for an aventura, pretty much the same as the outlaw but you get satnav and more toys and stuff
we love ours, auto gearbox is fantastic and its pretty quick too, miles better than the old L200 animal we used to havehope this helps,
good luck
pjdow said:
We had one for a year or so,
It was a 61 plate.
Full leather, Auto Air con, Bluetooth, Sat Nav etc.......
Surprisingly comfortable in the front. The back seats are only suitable for kids.
Great on the motorway, good tow vehicle. Dreadful turning circle and big to park, it did have reversing camera's that helped a lot.
We would get another, at the time looked at the alternatives and felt the Nissan was the best, 2nd place Toyota.
Massively different to a 110 Land Rover, far more car like to drive.
The Negative.
We used ours as a family car, so was not abused at all, but the depreciation was horrific after 12 months, and it was very difficult to sell. I believe Toyota have better residuals.
And, parts are very expensive!!!!!!!
What body was that? Kingcab or Double Cab? I'd need to fit 4 adults.It was a 61 plate.
Full leather, Auto Air con, Bluetooth, Sat Nav etc.......
Surprisingly comfortable in the front. The back seats are only suitable for kids.
Great on the motorway, good tow vehicle. Dreadful turning circle and big to park, it did have reversing camera's that helped a lot.
We would get another, at the time looked at the alternatives and felt the Nissan was the best, 2nd place Toyota.
Massively different to a 110 Land Rover, far more car like to drive.
The Negative.
We used ours as a family car, so was not abused at all, but the depreciation was horrific after 12 months, and it was very difficult to sell. I believe Toyota have better residuals.
And, parts are very expensive!!!!!!!
biggy888 said:
Hey everyone.
Looking at buying a Navara and have found a D40 outlaw on an 06 plate with 64,000 miles. Engine is a 2,5 TDCi.
Does anyone have any experience with these? pros and cons? Any major issues to look out for?
thanks
Generally I'd echo the Land Rover/yank pickup but it depends on your circumstances and what you need.Looking at buying a Navara and have found a D40 outlaw on an 06 plate with 64,000 miles. Engine is a 2,5 TDCi.
Does anyone have any experience with these? pros and cons? Any major issues to look out for?
thanks
If you really fancy a Nissan and don't need to claim back the VAT, have a look at a Pathfinder - similar mechanicals but coil springs on the back instead of cart springs so a better ride and less likely to have been abused.
I've had three Navaras, covering a total of around 250,000 miles. Sum total of problems? One rheostat for the heater fan on the oldest one. Clutches last around 80,000 miles (DMF, so expensive; I paid around £1600 fitted.) Latest one (2.5 turbo) has averaged 32 mpg over 100,000 miles. Never been serviced by dealers; we change the oil & filter every 5,000 miles. Only other consumables have been brake pads.
I've also had yank trucks (F250 6.4 Powerstroke & F350 7.3 Powerstroke) and they are fantastic vehicles, but they polarise opinion. I'd have another, but they are big, especially the duallies, and not everyone gets on with them. You need to plan ahead; if I was staying overnight in a hotel, I'd always check the car-park on Google before booking a room. The F350 would straddle 4 parking spaces. Also, ignore people who say that you can get mid-20's mpg. You struggle to get much over 15 mpg if you use them properly. The best I ever did over a 700 mile trip, mostly motorways, was 21 mpg.
I've also had yank trucks (F250 6.4 Powerstroke & F350 7.3 Powerstroke) and they are fantastic vehicles, but they polarise opinion. I'd have another, but they are big, especially the duallies, and not everyone gets on with them. You need to plan ahead; if I was staying overnight in a hotel, I'd always check the car-park on Google before booking a room. The F350 would straddle 4 parking spaces. Also, ignore people who say that you can get mid-20's mpg. You struggle to get much over 15 mpg if you use them properly. The best I ever did over a 700 mile trip, mostly motorways, was 21 mpg.
biggy888 said:
The navara i found is at a very nice price at £6500 without the VAT. The same spec L200 is well more than that and land rovers are out my budget for a similar age vehicle. Im using it for towing a horsebox, generally getting me about in the winter and a bit of off road for shooting.
If you want something a bit more off roady and don't need a pick up, have a look at a Santana PS10. There's usually a good selection on ebay.The NCAP frontal crash test makes interesting reading on the Navara. This may or may not be a factor (I own a TVR- NCAP? WTF over)
"Front impact
The Navara's passenger compartment became unstable in the impact and would have been unable to withstand greater loading. The chassis rail collapsed on the impacted side, allowing a significant level of intrusion into the driver's footwell. As a result, the dummy readings indicated a high risk of injury to the left tibia. In addition, the accelerator pedal moved rearwards more than 200mm, presenting a further risk of injury to the driver's lower legs. Structures in the dashboard presented a hazard to the knees and femurs of both the driver and the passenger. Protection of the driver's chest was rated as weak owing to the extent to which the chest was compressed, combined with the threat posed by the unstable passenger compartment. The passenger's neck was bent rearwards in the impact, presenting a high risk of life-threatening injury. The airbags and seatbelt pretensioners were triggered late in the impact and readings from the driver dummy's head also indicated a high risk of life threatening injury. The Navara has been awarded a one star rating as its performance in frontal impact did not reach the minimum level required for a higher rating. Moreover, the unacceptably high risk of life threatening injury to the driver's head and the passenger's neck have led to that star being struck through. Nissan have already introduced a counter-measure to overcome the delayed deployment of the frontal airbags. The change has already been introduced in production cars and Nissan will contact owners to advise them to get their cars upgraded at their dealers. Euro NCAP will assess the modified car in the near future."
"Front impact
The Navara's passenger compartment became unstable in the impact and would have been unable to withstand greater loading. The chassis rail collapsed on the impacted side, allowing a significant level of intrusion into the driver's footwell. As a result, the dummy readings indicated a high risk of injury to the left tibia. In addition, the accelerator pedal moved rearwards more than 200mm, presenting a further risk of injury to the driver's lower legs. Structures in the dashboard presented a hazard to the knees and femurs of both the driver and the passenger. Protection of the driver's chest was rated as weak owing to the extent to which the chest was compressed, combined with the threat posed by the unstable passenger compartment. The passenger's neck was bent rearwards in the impact, presenting a high risk of life-threatening injury. The airbags and seatbelt pretensioners were triggered late in the impact and readings from the driver dummy's head also indicated a high risk of life threatening injury. The Navara has been awarded a one star rating as its performance in frontal impact did not reach the minimum level required for a higher rating. Moreover, the unacceptably high risk of life threatening injury to the driver's head and the passenger's neck have led to that star being struck through. Nissan have already introduced a counter-measure to overcome the delayed deployment of the frontal airbags. The change has already been introduced in production cars and Nissan will contact owners to advise them to get their cars upgraded at their dealers. Euro NCAP will assess the modified car in the near future."
Have been considering one myself, and I have read some horror stories of things that shouldn't fail (wheel bearings/axles), but I think the affected ones happened at almost new. I think they've got the engine failure problems sorted out since the D40 came out. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&...
Also, checkout knackerednavara.co.uk on waybackmachine (live site seems to have gone). Bear in mind it's mostly the older D22 and only a small selection of people.
I'm now looking at the Isuzu D-Max - the new model looks very good on paper and it comes with a 5 year warranty.
Also, checkout knackerednavara.co.uk on waybackmachine (live site seems to have gone). Bear in mind it's mostly the older D22 and only a small selection of people.
I'm now looking at the Isuzu D-Max - the new model looks very good on paper and it comes with a 5 year warranty.
on my 3rd D40, no question, it's the best pickup out there at the moment.
Older EU3 ones (55 plate to ~57) are the best engine wise, better variable turbo, no DPF, easy wo average 35Mpg +
middle ones (EU4) were the worste fuel wise, best I got was 25Mpg average
current ones (EU5) are almost back to the old ones, but without the instant pickup of the variable turbo, currently averaging 30Mpg.
Not run one for mega miles, (Usually do ~20K a year and chop them at 3 years), but never been stranded, only issues I have had are down to dealer created issues.
Driven L200's, VW Amarok, Toyota's and they are just not as complete.
Older EU3 ones (55 plate to ~57) are the best engine wise, better variable turbo, no DPF, easy wo average 35Mpg +
middle ones (EU4) were the worste fuel wise, best I got was 25Mpg average
current ones (EU5) are almost back to the old ones, but without the instant pickup of the variable turbo, currently averaging 30Mpg.
Not run one for mega miles, (Usually do ~20K a year and chop them at 3 years), but never been stranded, only issues I have had are down to dealer created issues.
Driven L200's, VW Amarok, Toyota's and they are just not as complete.
Scuffers said:
on my 3rd D40, no question, it's the best pickup out there at the moment.
Older EU3 ones (55 plate to ~57) are the best engine wise, better variable turbo, no DPF, easy wo average 35Mpg +
middle ones (EU4) were the worste fuel wise, best I got was 25Mpg average
current ones (EU5) are almost back to the old ones, but without the instant pickup of the variable turbo, currently averaging 30Mpg.
Not run one for mega miles, (Usually do ~20K a year and chop them at 3 years), but never been stranded, only issues I have had are down to dealer created issues.
Driven L200's, VW Amarok, Toyota's and they are just not as complete.
Thanks for that!!! the one im looking at is a D40 on an 06 plate so that should be the EU3. happy days Older EU3 ones (55 plate to ~57) are the best engine wise, better variable turbo, no DPF, easy wo average 35Mpg +
middle ones (EU4) were the worste fuel wise, best I got was 25Mpg average
current ones (EU5) are almost back to the old ones, but without the instant pickup of the variable turbo, currently averaging 30Mpg.
Not run one for mega miles, (Usually do ~20K a year and chop them at 3 years), but never been stranded, only issues I have had are down to dealer created issues.
Driven L200's, VW Amarok, Toyota's and they are just not as complete.
fredd1e said:
The NCAP frontal crash test makes interesting reading on the Navara. This may or may not be a factor (I own a TVR- NCAP? WTF over)
"Front impact
The Navara's passenger compartment became unstable in the impact and would have been unable to withstand greater loading. The chassis rail collapsed on the impacted side, allowing a significant level of intrusion into the driver's footwell. As a result, the dummy readings indicated a high risk of injury to the left tibia. In addition, the accelerator pedal moved rearwards more than 200mm, presenting a further risk of injury to the driver's lower legs. Structures in the dashboard presented a hazard to the knees and femurs of both the driver and the passenger. Protection of the driver's chest was rated as weak owing to the extent to which the chest was compressed, combined with the threat posed by the unstable passenger compartment. The passenger's neck was bent rearwards in the impact, presenting a high risk of life-threatening injury. The airbags and seatbelt pretensioners were triggered late in the impact and readings from the driver dummy's head also indicated a high risk of life threatening injury. The Navara has been awarded a one star rating as its performance in frontal impact did not reach the minimum level required for a higher rating. Moreover, the unacceptably high risk of life threatening injury to the driver's head and the passenger's neck have led to that star being struck through. Nissan have already introduced a counter-measure to overcome the delayed deployment of the frontal airbags. The change has already been introduced in production cars and Nissan will contact owners to advise them to get their cars upgraded at their dealers. Euro NCAP will assess the modified car in the near future."
All that, yet the Pathfinder, which is largely a Navara without a pick-up bed gets 4 stars."Front impact
The Navara's passenger compartment became unstable in the impact and would have been unable to withstand greater loading. The chassis rail collapsed on the impacted side, allowing a significant level of intrusion into the driver's footwell. As a result, the dummy readings indicated a high risk of injury to the left tibia. In addition, the accelerator pedal moved rearwards more than 200mm, presenting a further risk of injury to the driver's lower legs. Structures in the dashboard presented a hazard to the knees and femurs of both the driver and the passenger. Protection of the driver's chest was rated as weak owing to the extent to which the chest was compressed, combined with the threat posed by the unstable passenger compartment. The passenger's neck was bent rearwards in the impact, presenting a high risk of life-threatening injury. The airbags and seatbelt pretensioners were triggered late in the impact and readings from the driver dummy's head also indicated a high risk of life threatening injury. The Navara has been awarded a one star rating as its performance in frontal impact did not reach the minimum level required for a higher rating. Moreover, the unacceptably high risk of life threatening injury to the driver's head and the passenger's neck have led to that star being struck through. Nissan have already introduced a counter-measure to overcome the delayed deployment of the frontal airbags. The change has already been introduced in production cars and Nissan will contact owners to advise them to get their cars upgraded at their dealers. Euro NCAP will assess the modified car in the near future."
http://www.euroncap.com/tests/nissan_pathfinder_20...
As for pedestrian safety; they should stay on the pavement. I reckon manufacturers pay far too much attention to the welfare of jay-walkers. I'd much rather have a better looking car and not worry about what damage could possibly be done to someone intent on jumping out in front of me.
I had a 56-plate Navara Outlaw King-Cab 2.5dCi Manual for a week for work a couple of years ago, mainly off-roading. The new V6 dCi would be a better companion on-road, but in honesty the 4-pot isn't bad at all. Gutsy etc. Far, far, faaaar superior to the 2.5DI-D engines in the L200 of which we had a new Warrior Crew Cab as well. Warrior didn't have the get-up-and-go of the Nissan, the build quality was shocking in comparision, felt cheap and nasty inside, whilst the Navara felt like it was built to outlast the end-of-the-world. Nice solid truck. The gearbox in the Nissan was quite long and notchy, but nice and meaty, better than the Mitsubishi, it was easy to manouvre, even in the pitch black backing up to unlit trucks to unload stuff.
The 4WD and Diff Locking system is a joy to use, and it completely outclassed the L200 fully laden, pulling away up a steep and sodden, muddy hill in the pouring rain one night too. Plus it will pull epic donuts in 2WD in a field.
The engine felt nicer, the Mitsubishi's being squeaky and rattly, we actually lost the L200s wheel arch extensions on the M25 too...
The 4WD and Diff Locking system is a joy to use, and it completely outclassed the L200 fully laden, pulling away up a steep and sodden, muddy hill in the pouring rain one night too. Plus it will pull epic donuts in 2WD in a field.
The engine felt nicer, the Mitsubishi's being squeaky and rattly, we actually lost the L200s wheel arch extensions on the M25 too...
Ive had an 56 plate aventura auto from new, just coming up to 60k.
love it to bits, mines the double cab, get four adults in it twice a yr when we drive down to the alps no problem.
Av 36.2 mpg over the 60k ive done.
Only needed a few tyres,battery and front pads.
Really cannot imagine not having a Navara on the drive, had L200 and Hilux before, this is sooo much better, maybe,just maybe the 3.0 hilux engine edges the Nissans 2.5 lump, but not much, and the Navara has so many more toys.
love it to bits, mines the double cab, get four adults in it twice a yr when we drive down to the alps no problem.
Av 36.2 mpg over the 60k ive done.
Only needed a few tyres,battery and front pads.
Really cannot imagine not having a Navara on the drive, had L200 and Hilux before, this is sooo much better, maybe,just maybe the 3.0 hilux engine edges the Nissans 2.5 lump, but not much, and the Navara has so many more toys.
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