250 GTO Crashed
Discussion
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I know it would be difficult as they were all hand built in the 60s, but could it be repaired? The owner obviously has a lot of money, so could pretty much give Ferrari a blank cheque, and the passion of the Ferrari engineers means they would try and make something out of a pile of scrap metal with a Scudetto shield on top.
God, I hate Daily Mail readers.
Moron said:
Typical silly male. Buys a fast car and can't even drive it properly.
Another moron said:
Bit silly driving it-you're simply asking to have a crash
Yet another moron said:
Only an idiot would pay 20 million for that, you can buy the exact same car in china, for under 50,000, and its brand new.
Anyway, back to the topic - as it used to be a racing car it's probably been damaged countless times in the past. It'll have been fixed before and I'm sure it'll be fixed again.
Yet another moron said:
Shame, not many 250 GTO's around and spare parts are hard to come by, especially body panels as they were a hand crafted and no 250 was exactly the same. Not like the mass produced plastic rubbish we produce today.
Is this an argument for all cars to be £20,000,000 hand built classics or an arguement for durable, deformable plastic body panels?I'm afraid I agree with some of those comments.
Cars should be used and loved, but 20 million for the car is just daft.
I fail to see cars as historic icons worth that sort of money, but then I admit to being a spiritual void that doesn't see any painting in the world worth more than about £1000.
Technology has moved on to such an extent that the cars perfomance and ability would be overshadowed by most of todays shopping cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have a drive in one to experience what it would be like to have been a racing driver back when the driver was at least as important as the car, and I consider myself a car enthusiast.
I just think that by the time a car is valued at 20 million the world has lost sight of why it was designed.
Cars should be used and loved, but 20 million for the car is just daft.
I fail to see cars as historic icons worth that sort of money, but then I admit to being a spiritual void that doesn't see any painting in the world worth more than about £1000.
Technology has moved on to such an extent that the cars perfomance and ability would be overshadowed by most of todays shopping cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have a drive in one to experience what it would be like to have been a racing driver back when the driver was at least as important as the car, and I consider myself a car enthusiast.
I just think that by the time a car is valued at 20 million the world has lost sight of why it was designed.
julian64 said:
I'm afraid I agree with some of those comments.
Cars should be used and loved, but 20 million for the car is just daft.
I fail to see cars as historic icons worth that sort of money, but then I admit to being a spiritual void that doesn't see any painting in the world worth more than about £1000.
Technology has moved on to such an extent that the cars perfomance and ability would be overshadowed by most of todays shopping cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have a drive in one to experience what it would be like to have been a racing driver back when the driver was at least as important as the car, and I consider myself a car enthusiast.
I just think that by the time a car is valued at 20 million the world has lost sight of why it was designed.
That depends what you call a shopping car, but I would disagree with you here.Cars should be used and loved, but 20 million for the car is just daft.
I fail to see cars as historic icons worth that sort of money, but then I admit to being a spiritual void that doesn't see any painting in the world worth more than about £1000.
Technology has moved on to such an extent that the cars perfomance and ability would be overshadowed by most of todays shopping cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have a drive in one to experience what it would be like to have been a racing driver back when the driver was at least as important as the car, and I consider myself a car enthusiast.
I just think that by the time a car is valued at 20 million the world has lost sight of why it was designed.
Think Julian has a point, we are overly reverential about stuff like this, it is only a car, made of metal, glass and plastic. Like paintings these items aquire value as an investment, it is like Gold, which is just another metal but we have attributed it with value as it is rare, it isnt significantly better than Iron as a metal, its just there is more Iron about.
A brand new Ferrari will be immeasurably superior in every respect (except perhaps looks, it is a pretty car the 250) but supply and demand mean that anyone with 150 odd grand can lay their hands on one, they pay for a high performance car, craftmanship, design and that brand but it isnt an investment.
If there were as many 250 GT's as E type's, they would be worth what 50 - 100k, but there arent so they go up and up in value, well actually, they go up in price, at the end of the day if you can afford to play at that game you will most probably not lose, this is why the rich get richer, people (Daily Mail readers)will cry "20 million, for a car" but it isnt for a car, it is for the name, the provenance, the investment.
You can own a brilliant copy of any painting in the world for a grand, but not the original, it is kind of like us humans, having invented currency, we need something abstract to attach a lot of value to, to store money, its like a supercurrency, the pleasure derived from owning any painting is pretty low really, they sit on a wall, well most are in secure vaults, same with cars, especially ones you cant really drive to to value but I doubt they will write this off, as long as it still has its chassis plate it will be rebuilt.
I personally dont think there is any car worth more than 200k in design and materials really, even the Veyron, VW spent too much on it and they dont make enough of them to get the economies of scale, think us low end punters get the best deal, something like a 320d seems to be the pinacle of value versus design cost and capability.
A brand new Ferrari will be immeasurably superior in every respect (except perhaps looks, it is a pretty car the 250) but supply and demand mean that anyone with 150 odd grand can lay their hands on one, they pay for a high performance car, craftmanship, design and that brand but it isnt an investment.
If there were as many 250 GT's as E type's, they would be worth what 50 - 100k, but there arent so they go up and up in value, well actually, they go up in price, at the end of the day if you can afford to play at that game you will most probably not lose, this is why the rich get richer, people (Daily Mail readers)will cry "20 million, for a car" but it isnt for a car, it is for the name, the provenance, the investment.
You can own a brilliant copy of any painting in the world for a grand, but not the original, it is kind of like us humans, having invented currency, we need something abstract to attach a lot of value to, to store money, its like a supercurrency, the pleasure derived from owning any painting is pretty low really, they sit on a wall, well most are in secure vaults, same with cars, especially ones you cant really drive to to value but I doubt they will write this off, as long as it still has its chassis plate it will be rebuilt.
I personally dont think there is any car worth more than 200k in design and materials really, even the Veyron, VW spent too much on it and they dont make enough of them to get the economies of scale, think us low end punters get the best deal, something like a 320d seems to be the pinacle of value versus design cost and capability.
J4CKO said:
Think Julian has a point, we are overly reverential about stuff like this, it is only a car, made of metal, glass and plastic. Like paintings these items aquire value as an investment, it is like Gold, which is just another metal but we have attributed it with value as it is rare, it isnt significantly better than Iron as a metal, its just there is more Iron about.
Gold doesn't rust or tarnish.Jacko, a modern Ferrari might not be better to drive...quite probably not, given the GTO badge on the 250.
The current stuff weighs nearly twice as much so won't be as agile, has a paddle-shift or DCT box so won't be as involving, and has DBW, PAS and servo'd brakes, so won't be as communicative.
For some, the accessibility of the current stuff will appeal, for others the feel of the old car will matter more.
And 270bhp per tonne is nudging GT3 / 430 territory, by the way...not mainstream shopping trolley!
The current stuff weighs nearly twice as much so won't be as agile, has a paddle-shift or DCT box so won't be as involving, and has DBW, PAS and servo'd brakes, so won't be as communicative.
For some, the accessibility of the current stuff will appeal, for others the feel of the old car will matter more.
And 270bhp per tonne is nudging GT3 / 430 territory, by the way...not mainstream shopping trolley!
This stirs exactly nothing in me. Should it? Maybe l'm just from a different era. If it had been written off through a children's hospital in a blaze of ignomy, maybe I would be sad.
I have a mental image of an ageing ferrari, living in a time that is not its own, just praying for an escape from the hell that is immortality, wishing for death
I have a mental image of an ageing ferrari, living in a time that is not its own, just praying for an escape from the hell that is immortality, wishing for death
julian64 said:
I'm afraid I agree with some of those comments.
Cars should be used and loved, but 20 million for the car is just daft.
I fail to see cars as historic icons worth that sort of money, but then I admit to being a spiritual void that doesn't see any painting in the world worth more than about £1000.
Technology has moved on to such an extent that the cars perfomance and ability would be overshadowed by most of todays shopping cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have a drive in one to experience what it would be like to have been a racing driver back when the driver was at least as important as the car, and I consider myself a car enthusiast.
I just think that by the time a car is valued at 20 million the world has lost sight of why it was designed.
You're thinking of the car as a car, rather than an object, in terms of value.Cars should be used and loved, but 20 million for the car is just daft.
I fail to see cars as historic icons worth that sort of money, but then I admit to being a spiritual void that doesn't see any painting in the world worth more than about £1000.
Technology has moved on to such an extent that the cars perfomance and ability would be overshadowed by most of todays shopping cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love to have a drive in one to experience what it would be like to have been a racing driver back when the driver was at least as important as the car, and I consider myself a car enthusiast.
I just think that by the time a car is valued at 20 million the world has lost sight of why it was designed.
Anything rare and desirable carries a value. That rarity is indisputable, but the desirability is subjective.
Take a Ming vase. Not many were made and they are considered to be of the utmost rarity and quality for their era. Ergo, they are worth huge sums.
Now take the GTO. Not many were made and they are considered to be of the utmost rarity and quality for their era. Same thing.
The Ferrari of course has a dual purpose in that whilst a vase is for sitting there holding flowers, the car can be used, driven, enjoyed. And so it should be.
'Technology' is irrelevant. A GTO wouldn't be able to see which way a 458 went, but that isn't what gives it value.
Muzzer79 said:
You're thinking of the car as a car, rather than an object, in terms of value.
Anything rare and desirable carries a value. That rarity is indisputable, but the desirability is subjective.
Take a Ming vase. Not many were made and they are considered to be of the utmost rarity and quality for their era. Ergo, they are worth huge sums.
Now take the GTO. Not many were made and they are considered to be of the utmost rarity and quality for their era. Same thing.
The Ferrari of course has a dual purpose in that whilst a vase is for sitting there holding flowers, the car can be used, driven, enjoyed. And so it should be.
'Technology' is irrelevant. A GTO wouldn't be able to see which way a 458 went, but that isn't what gives it value.
Oh come on, that GTO wouldn't be able to see which way my bog standard £6K E39 M5 went, and I use that for shopping let alone a ferrari. That GTO will be a nightmare round corners.Anything rare and desirable carries a value. That rarity is indisputable, but the desirability is subjective.
Take a Ming vase. Not many were made and they are considered to be of the utmost rarity and quality for their era. Ergo, they are worth huge sums.
Now take the GTO. Not many were made and they are considered to be of the utmost rarity and quality for their era. Same thing.
The Ferrari of course has a dual purpose in that whilst a vase is for sitting there holding flowers, the car can be used, driven, enjoyed. And so it should be.
'Technology' is irrelevant. A GTO wouldn't be able to see which way a 458 went, but that isn't what gives it value.
Your Ergo above is almost a religious statement because it relies on the person reading believing the same as you do. It is not a statement of fact based on a logical progression of thought.
Rarity has no real inherent value other than what is agreed by people with the money to buy things, such as the gold post above.
By the time a car has reached over a million, it is simply an object which has lost all pretence to being a car, and becomes a commodity for those millionaires wanting to one up each other to join an exclusive club.
Its nice to see the car on the road, and its also nice to know that it has a value that means it can't be written off, but it won't be a 20 million driving experience.
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