Peugeot/Citroen to Lay-off 8000 Workers

[Fishtigua]

It seems that the Euro-zone downturn has hit the mid/small car market worse than thought. So much for President Hollande's great growth idea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

[CampDavid]

Fishtigua said:

It seems that the Euro-zone downturn has hit the mid/small car market worse than thought. So much for President Hollande's great growth idea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

I'd argue that it's less to with the Euro and more to do with the fact they produce st cars. 15 years ago the 306 outsold everything from Ford to Vauxhall, who the hell's buying 308s now?

[miln0039]

France to be bailed out by the European Central Bank.

Coming to a front page near you soon.

[Krikkit]

PSA have had this coming for ages because most of the range (at Peugeot at least, a few Citroéns as well) is absolute rubbish. The 107/C1/Aygo sells well, that's about all the new Peugeots I see. The DS3 has sold quite well, but still not enough to keep them all going.

Hopefully the 208 will sell well too - I've heard they're quite decent for the class, and they look great. If they can shed off the image garnered by the 206/207 and 307/308 then they're winning.

[Schuey M]

Good riddance to crap cars; hopefully renault will follow suit asap.

[Prof Prolapse]

Schuey M said:

Good riddance to crap cars; hopefully renault will follow suit asap.

Renaultsport?

[Baz Tench]

CampDavid said:

I'd argue that it's less to with the Euro and more to do with the fact they produce st cars. 15 years ago the 306 outsold everything from Ford to Vauxhall, who the hell's buying 308s now?

I see plenty about. They are usually driven by people who don't care about cars or driving in general though.

Such a shame that Peugeot in particular took their eye off the ball and started churning out motors for the blue rinse/ Geography teacher brigade.

[Mikeyplum]

I see a lot of 508's about. But they are mainly company/lease cars.

I think I might end up with one if I am elegible for a company car in a few months.

[DaveH23]

Schuey M said:

Good riddance to crap cars; hopefully renault will follow suit asap.

You seem happy alot of people are out of work. wow.

Anyway... utterly reliable in my experience but thats personal opinion.

As mentioned by somebody above they are 'generaly' driven by people that care little about cars. I believe they drive cars like this is because they are cheap to buy, run, insure and repair.

Because people that dont care about cars buy them then don't maintain them hence alot of these car's are in a sorry state and I think this is why people have a theory that they are crap.

If you didnt maintain any brand of car im pretty sure it would fail aswell.

Just my opinion.

[Dave Hedgehog]

evo posted an article on how most of the mainstream manufacturers are in real trouble with sales down 20-30% this year on an already terrible previous year, Vauxhall and Alfa are also in real trouble

although the Germain's and the luxury brands seam to be ridding it out, i think Audi has just had its best year ever

[HeatonNorris]

Schuey M said:

Good riddance to crap cars; hopefully renault will follow suit asap.

Your profile says you like hot hatches.

Renault / Peugeot / Citroen are 3 manufacturers famed for their hot hatches.

[checkmate91]

But so are Ford and VW, who make better examples more of the time.

[anonymous-user]

Schuey M said:

Good riddance to crap cars; hopefully renault will follow suit asap.

Says the man who's owned 4 Vauxhalls!

[petrolsniffer]

Krikkit said:

Hopefully the 208 will sell well too - I've heard they're quite decent for the class, and they look great. If they can shed off the image garnered by the 206/207 and 307/308 then they're winning.

The 208 does sound promising also the gti version is said to be going back to what thier gti's of old were.

It'd be sad to see them go if it came to that.

I think the korean market has made a big dent in thier sales as every year they keep upping thier game.

[Schuey M]

MSTRBKR said:

Schuey M said:

Good riddance to crap cars; hopefully renault will follow suit asap.

Says the man who's owned 4 Vauxhalls!

I've owned 1 astra gte back in '97 and no vauxhalls since. I did have a 306gti which was an unreliable moneypit. I do drive alot of french vehicles thru work and they are cheap for a reason. Give me a vw,ford or bmw anyday!

The clio is so over rated on this forum it's laughable.

Edited by Schuey M on Sunday 15th July 10:47

[Steve-B]

G4S is hiring.

[Schuey M]

checkmate91 said:

But so are Ford and VW, who make better examples more of the time.

I agree and fords and vw's dont fall apart or breakdown all the time.

[heebeegeetee]

checkmate91 said:

But so are Ford and VW, who make better examples more of the time.

Wow, I'd disagree strongly with that. VW have only ever had the Golf GTi as a great hot hatch, and the Mks 3&4 were dire, and the only decent hot hatches Ford have ever made have been Focuses.

[Schuey M]

The vw r32, corrado vr6, polo g60, scirrocco, all great cars. The escort cosworths would piss on a french hatch of that era,

[CampDavid]

Schuey M said:

The vw r32, corrado vr6, polo g60, scirrocco, all great cars. The escort cosworths would piss on a french hatch of that era,

If we're going to be silly, a 911 pisses on an Escort Cosworth of that era. Sure, it was twice the price, in the same way a Cossie was twice that of a hot hatch.