why cant people in britain drive
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Im not saying that British people can't drive im saying people in Britain can't drive
My reasons
Just drove back from Poland on 2 lane motorways where the speed limit is 140kmh
I drove through Poland Germany Netherlands Belgium and France in one day
All on 2 lane motorways
Everyone stays in the right lane unless overtaking (even the British)
Otherwise they get rammed out of the way
Anyway get back into the UK and those exact same people who were driving correctly in Europe are now HOGGING the middle lane at 60mph
I mean "WHY"
They can drive properly in Europe so why when the get back to the UK do they revert back to this pig headedness ??
My reasons
Just drove back from Poland on 2 lane motorways where the speed limit is 140kmh
I drove through Poland Germany Netherlands Belgium and France in one day
All on 2 lane motorways
Everyone stays in the right lane unless overtaking (even the British)
Otherwise they get rammed out of the way
Anyway get back into the UK and those exact same people who were driving correctly in Europe are now HOGGING the middle lane at 60mph
I mean "WHY"
They can drive properly in Europe so why when the get back to the UK do they revert back to this pig headedness ??
Because it only takes 1 person to hog the middle lane and the rest have to go around. Therefore one person can render the whole of the inside lane useless for miles and miles.
Therefore, one person in the middle lane of the M25 can have a knock on affect to every motorway in the country, right up to the M8 in Scotland.
I have no proof of this, but it is FACT.
Therefore, one person in the middle lane of the M25 can have a knock on affect to every motorway in the country, right up to the M8 in Scotland.
I have no proof of this, but it is FACT.
Haha oh no. I wasn't following anyone. I was the one in front :-P
never broke the speed limit once but it's just a better way of driving over there
their motto is if you are in the way you WILL be rammed. So get out of the way and you won't be rammed
I've seen fast Audis come flying up behind a wagon overtaking another wagon on a 2 lane motorway. The Audi flashed from 500mtrs onwards and the wagon hit its brakes and pulled back in allowed the Audi to not be slowed down and then attempted to overtake again (this was in Germany tho)
never broke the speed limit once but it's just a better way of driving over there
their motto is if you are in the way you WILL be rammed. So get out of the way and you won't be rammed
I've seen fast Audis come flying up behind a wagon overtaking another wagon on a 2 lane motorway. The Audi flashed from 500mtrs onwards and the wagon hit its brakes and pulled back in allowed the Audi to not be slowed down and then attempted to overtake again (this was in Germany tho)
I've started undertaking
If you think about it our undertaking is technically European overtaking so how can it be dangerous :-P
I know someone who decided to overtake a middle lane hogger that was doing 60 and jump back in in front of them and then gradually slow down to 45mph.
This then made the hogger overtake in the fast lane at 45mph. At this point my friend put his foot down and left the hogger in the outside lane at 50mph with loads of angry people behind him
I don't think he did it again
Very naughty but it worked
If you think about it our undertaking is technically European overtaking so how can it be dangerous :-P
I know someone who decided to overtake a middle lane hogger that was doing 60 and jump back in in front of them and then gradually slow down to 45mph.
This then made the hogger overtake in the fast lane at 45mph. At this point my friend put his foot down and left the hogger in the outside lane at 50mph with loads of angry people behind him
I don't think he did it again
Very naughty but it worked
djad1200 said:
Haha oh no. I wasn't following anyone. I was the one in front :-P
never broke the speed limit once but it's just a better way of driving over there
their motto is if you are in the way you WILL be rammed. So get out of the way and you won't be rammed
I've seen fast Audis come flying up behind a wagon overtaking another wagon on a 2 lane motorway. The Audi flashed from 500mtrs onwards and the wagon hit its brakes and pulled back in allowed the Audi to not be slowed down and then attempted to overtake again (this was in Germany tho)
Now that's how a motorway should run. I've often thought about buying a shed, attaching one of those cow catchers you see on trains to the front, setting the cruise control to whatever and just ramming people out of the way if they don't move in time. Very selfish but so satisfying.never broke the speed limit once but it's just a better way of driving over there
their motto is if you are in the way you WILL be rammed. So get out of the way and you won't be rammed
I've seen fast Audis come flying up behind a wagon overtaking another wagon on a 2 lane motorway. The Audi flashed from 500mtrs onwards and the wagon hit its brakes and pulled back in allowed the Audi to not be slowed down and then attempted to overtake again (this was in Germany tho)
Because in the UK, you get taught how to pass the driving test, and not how to drive properly.
The fact that there is no motorway driving allowed for learners doesn't help- observation and lane discipline SHOULD be taught to learners, especilly as (I would think in this day and age) most drivers would travel most of their mileage on motorways.
In other European countries, other aspects such as skid pan training and proper first aid are all part of the driving test.
The other issue is that unlike on Pistonheads, many people do not like to drive, and only do so out of necessity. In these cases, well organised, fully integrated, cheap (properly subsidised) and reliable public transport would be preferable- again, something that most continental European cities have sotrted out, but most UK cities have appalling, unreliable, expensive and deeply unappealing public transport.
The fact that there is no motorway driving allowed for learners doesn't help- observation and lane discipline SHOULD be taught to learners, especilly as (I would think in this day and age) most drivers would travel most of their mileage on motorways.
In other European countries, other aspects such as skid pan training and proper first aid are all part of the driving test.
The other issue is that unlike on Pistonheads, many people do not like to drive, and only do so out of necessity. In these cases, well organised, fully integrated, cheap (properly subsidised) and reliable public transport would be preferable- again, something that most continental European cities have sotrted out, but most UK cities have appalling, unreliable, expensive and deeply unappealing public transport.
I think the fact most of our motorways are three or four lanes makes people lazier than they are on the continent.
Beyond that ... who knows? A lot of European drivers can be quite aggressive when they want to get past, even if you're legitimately overtaking in the outside lane. Perhaps the Brits are just more tolerant?
Beyond that ... who knows? A lot of European drivers can be quite aggressive when they want to get past, even if you're legitimately overtaking in the outside lane. Perhaps the Brits are just more tolerant?
Poland:
14.7 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
28 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
23.5 fatalities / billion vehicle km
UK:
3.59 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
7 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
5.7 fatalities / billion vehicle km
So you're holding up Poland as an exemplar of better driving, when they have 4 times the rate of road deaths. Perspective, my dear fellow.
14.7 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
28 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
23.5 fatalities / billion vehicle km
UK:
3.59 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
7 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
5.7 fatalities / billion vehicle km
So you're holding up Poland as an exemplar of better driving, when they have 4 times the rate of road deaths. Perspective, my dear fellow.
Is undertaking in this situation illegal?
I have to admit to getting sooo b
y annoyed by this kind of thing that I will readily undertake, if there's no visible Plod around of course.
Obviously some people don't know about Rule 264 in the Highway Code:
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past.
I have to admit to getting sooo b
y annoyed by this kind of thing that I will readily undertake, if there's no visible Plod around of course.Obviously some people don't know about Rule 264 in the Highway Code:
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past.
Undertaking doesn't exist
My reasons why is that the PENIS in the middle lane should only be there if either
A) he is overtaking (which they're not)
B) he is turning right(which he is not)
He has no right to be there and no place being there. So therefore I am not in the wrong by undertaking
In order for me to be told off for undertaking. I would demand that the police officer pull over that penis in the middle lane and ask if he was overtaking or turning right. At the point that he says no my point will be proven
My reasons why is that the PENIS in the middle lane should only be there if either
A) he is overtaking (which they're not)
B) he is turning right(which he is not)
He has no right to be there and no place being there. So therefore I am not in the wrong by undertaking
In order for me to be told off for undertaking. I would demand that the police officer pull over that penis in the middle lane and ask if he was overtaking or turning right. At the point that he says no my point will be proven
Undertaking doesn't exist
My reasons why is that the PENIS in the middle lane should only be there if either
A) he is overtaking (which they're not)
B) he is turning right(which he is not)
He has no right to be there and no place being there. So therefore I am not in the wrong by undertaking
In order for me to be told off for undertaking. I would demand that the police officer pull over that penis in the middle lane and ask if he was overtaking or turning right. At the point that he says no my point will be proven
My reasons why is that the PENIS in the middle lane should only be there if either
A) he is overtaking (which they're not)
B) he is turning right(which he is not)
He has no right to be there and no place being there. So therefore I am not in the wrong by undertaking
In order for me to be told off for undertaking. I would demand that the police officer pull over that penis in the middle lane and ask if he was overtaking or turning right. At the point that he says no my point will be proven
djad1200 said:
Im not saying that British people can't drive im saying people in Britain can't drive
My reasons
Just drove back from Poland on 2 lane motorways where the speed limit is 140kmh
I drove through Poland Germany Netherlands Belgium and France in one day
All on 2 lane motorways
Everyone stays in the right lane unless overtaking (even the British)
Otherwise they get rammed out of the way
Anyway get back into the UK and those exact same people who were driving correctly in Europe are now HOGGING the middle lane at 60mph
I mean "WHY"
They can drive properly in Europe so why when the get back to the UK do they revert back to this pig headedness ??
I did that exact journey on Saturday, and I noticed the same thing. I noticed something else too - around Dunkirk, GB plated bikes, in the outside lane, doing 85mph, and not moving over. YOU might be unstable doing over 85, but dont fMy reasons
Just drove back from Poland on 2 lane motorways where the speed limit is 140kmh
I drove through Poland Germany Netherlands Belgium and France in one day
All on 2 lane motorways
Everyone stays in the right lane unless overtaking (even the British)
Otherwise they get rammed out of the way
Anyway get back into the UK and those exact same people who were driving correctly in Europe are now HOGGING the middle lane at 60mph
I mean "WHY"
They can drive properly in Europe so why when the get back to the UK do they revert back to this pig headedness ??
king hold me up for 25km because you cant be arsed to pull in for a few seconds.The Black Flash said:
Poland:
14.7 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
28 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
23.5 fatalities / billion vehicle km
UK:
3.59 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
7 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
5.7 fatalities / billion vehicle km
So you're holding up Poland as an exemplar of better driving, when they have 4 times the rate of road deaths. Perspective, my dear fellow.
Correct but what you don't realize is that every main road in Poland is one lane one way and one lane the other14.7 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
28 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
23.5 fatalities / billion vehicle km
UK:
3.59 fatalities / 100,000 inhabitants
7 fatalities / 100,000 vehicles
5.7 fatalities / billion vehicle km
So you're holding up Poland as an exemplar of better driving, when they have 4 times the rate of road deaths. Perspective, my dear fellow.
So they overtake 3 maybe 4 wagons at a time
This is just nuts
But now here's the perspective for you
The a2 autostrada has just been opened its the first serious motorway in Poland and many people are using it having never been oj a motorway before yet they don't need any extra training they just get on and go. And their lane perception on it is brilliant
You will see Poland's figures for road deaths come down with the first motorway opened now (and its smoother than the autobahn) haha
As I'm fairly new here, and feel free to shoot me down for asking this, but I need some clarity on thie middle lane hogging thing.
Lets take for example the A2. 3 or 4 lanes each way heading out of London. In my experience, the left most lane is a little "worn" from trucks and heavy vehicles, giving a slightly rougher ride and more chance of diesel spills. And generally as I drive a little quicker than most road users, I stick to the middle lane, and in traffic am usually in the fast lane overtaking. As this is usually during busy periods, I'm guessing you would agree that there is little point in a switching to the slow lane when 100m ahead there is a truck you doing 20mp/h more than?
If it was 2am, due to the road surface in some parts, I'd probably still stick to the middle lane. Is this wrong? I simply to to drive with the least hindrance to other road users.
Lets take for example the A2. 3 or 4 lanes each way heading out of London. In my experience, the left most lane is a little "worn" from trucks and heavy vehicles, giving a slightly rougher ride and more chance of diesel spills. And generally as I drive a little quicker than most road users, I stick to the middle lane, and in traffic am usually in the fast lane overtaking. As this is usually during busy periods, I'm guessing you would agree that there is little point in a switching to the slow lane when 100m ahead there is a truck you doing 20mp/h more than?
If it was 2am, due to the road surface in some parts, I'd probably still stick to the middle lane. Is this wrong? I simply to to drive with the least hindrance to other road users.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 18th July 13:51
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