Pull the steering fuse on Z4
Pull the steering fuse on Z4
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FlavaDave

Original Poster:

213 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Any one pulled the fuse to the electric steering assistance motor on a Z4?

I'm intrigued, to see how it feels with just a mechanical connection - but daren't do it! ;-)

kambites

71,121 posts

247 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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I'd imagine the steering would be very heavy. Modern cars tend to take liberties with the suspension geometry that you'd never get away with without power steering.

FlavaDave

Original Poster:

213 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Good point. I'd still like to try. Just not sure if it sends anything else wappy. And I get a dash like a christmas tree because I was a bit daft...

kambites

71,121 posts

247 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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FlavaDave said:
Good point. I'd still like to try. Just not sure if it sends anything else wappy. And I get a dash like a christmas tree because I was a bit daft...
It would be a bit daft if a fuse blowing could send the car's electrics mad...

LuS1fer

43,367 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Just roll the car down a hill with the ignition on (to avoid the steering lock engaging)but not having started the engine. You'll soon get why it has to be power steering when you have wide tyres.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

291 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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I unpluged the EHPAS on my mk2 MR2. Steering was heavy at parking speeds but excellent when moving.

I did it because the system had a leak and the assistance would cut in and out at random - it was safer to drive with it disconnected until I fixed it.

None of this relates directly to Z4s though.

FlavaDave

Original Poster:

213 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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It would be great if you could 'tune' the assistance.

kambites

71,121 posts

247 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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FlavaDave said:
It would be great if you could 'tune' the assistance.
Some cars you can. The wife's old Punto had a button which lightened up the steering for parking (not that it seemed to actually serve any real purpose, given how light the steering was anyway).

Doesn't really help with steering feel though, just changes the weight.

FlavaDave

Original Poster:

213 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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LuS1fer said:
Just roll the car down a hill with the ignition on (to avoid the steering lock engaging)but not having started the engine. You'll soon get why it has to be power steering when you have wide tyres.
I know it will be stiff. But this thread doesn't ask "Why does my car have power steering?" ;-)

LuS1fer

43,367 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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FlavaDave said:
LuS1fer said:
Just roll the car down a hill with the ignition on (to avoid the steering lock engaging)but not having started the engine. You'll soon get why it has to be power steering when you have wide tyres.
I know it will be stiff. But this thread doesn't ask "Why does my car have power steering?" ;-)
You're right but it saves wasting your time pulling a fuse given you would then have to drive it anyway and starting it will instantly restore the assistance so it is safer.

AJB

856 posts

241 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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LuS1fer said:
Just roll the car down a hill with the ignition on (to avoid the steering lock engaging)but not having started the engine.
But be VERY aware that, once the vacuum reserve runs out, the brakes will pretty much stop working....

Chris71

21,549 posts

268 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Cars with disabled PAS can be all but undriveable. Still, no harm in giving it a go.

FlavaDave

Original Poster:

213 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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AJB said:
LuS1fer said:
Just roll the car down a hill with the ignition on (to avoid the steering lock engaging)but not having started the engine.
But be VERY aware that, once the vacuum reserve runs out, the brakes will pretty much stop working....
Don't worry - there simply isn't a steep enough hill nearby!

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

281 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Even with the fuse pulled, most pure EPAS racks/columns still give relatively poor steering feel simply because the worm and wheel and motor that provide the assistance act like a friction damper; introducing some stiction and filtering out a lot of the steering feedback.

The other issue is that you typically have a torque sensor which uses a very thin (maybe only ~5-6mm thick) shaft to connect the rack to the column (with within the column), and sensors detect the twist in this shaft to determine how much assistance to apply. The maximum angle you can twist this shaft is limited by mechanical stops, but with no assistance this introduces a small angle of steering wheel movement where the wheel is not solidly connected to the rack.

Hydro-electric racks are better, but still have the torque sensor which is why using a hydraulic rack as a non-assisted quick rack is a silly idea.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 18th July 17:33

loose cannon

6,054 posts

267 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Clio 2 has 3 settings for the electric steering only accessible by lap top/clip,
You might find that if you crashed whilst your car has a fuse pulled causing a defect to your steering you might be in for a world of pain,

marmitemania

1,571 posts

168 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Does your car not have speed sensetive PAS? My old rover 827 has and it works quite well, finger tip lightness parking but firms up very nicely at speed. I cant beleive that a modern supposed top end car does not have this

mike9009

10,235 posts

269 months

Thursday 19th July 2012
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When our PAS failed on our mini cooper S (common fault) my missus found the car undrivable and couldn't park it because of the weight. She got a colleague to park the car out of the way. When the rescue truck turned up, i had been dragged into the situation and the steering was pretty similar to my current vw T25 campervan at parking speed. Ie. it was a bit of a workout!

Mike

matchmaker

8,983 posts

226 months

Thursday 19th July 2012
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Never mind modern PAS. When the (purely hydraulic) PAS failed on my 3-litre Capri back in the 1980's I could barely park the thing! And I'd previously had an e21 323i which had no PAS, so was used to heavy steering.

g3org3y

22,287 posts

217 months

Thursday 19th July 2012
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So remind me again, the reason manufacturers have switched to electric power steering is to get better mpg on spec sheet?

playalistic

2,270 posts

190 months

Thursday 19th July 2012
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On the standard Z4 (non M) the steering will gain some weight in the sport mode if I remember correctly. That's if you can suffer the hyper throttle map...