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billywhizzzzzz

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2,585 posts

169 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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Have had E30s, E36, E46, E90 BMWs but just cant bear to part with this one ('91 325i touring) I've had 15 years or so. Only does a few miles a year now but for me was a real high point of BMW Design - in that era, most BMWs didn't have a single line you'd change...

B3Svert

553 posts

218 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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I agree with the e30, in touring or 2 door saloon version they look just about perfect. Of course I'm talking about well kept examples, not rusty-arched, chrome wheeled Croydon cruisers.

Disappointed to say the e36 didn't do it for me (despite having owned several), e39 and e38 are true highlights though. Again they must be well kept, original e39/38 in the right colour scheme still floats my boat in a big way.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

216 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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billywhizzzzzz said:
Have had E30s, E36, E46, E90 BMWs but just cant bear to part with this one ('91 325i touring) I've had 15 years or so. Only does a few miles a year now but for me was a real high point of BMW Design - in that era, most BMWs didn't have a single line you'd change...
I'm not a BMW hater at all, indeed I've even owned a few. But boy do they know how to build dull looking cars though.

I do like the e30's, but I think they look better in pictures than in the flesh.

Best looking BMW's for me are:

M Coupe (Z3)
Z8
X6


Nothing wrong with the rest, but they all seem to perfectly sit in that void of not pretty, not good looking, not interesting looking, not aggressive looking, not elegant looking, not sporty looking, not dramatic looking, not aerodynamic looking.

All in all they tend to look a little dull. paperbag

(they seem to sell well though, as do the equally dull looking Audi's... reckon this must mean something you know wink )

Gruber

6,313 posts

240 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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To my eyes, the e30 touring is one of the best resolved bits of mainstream car design in the last 30 years - perhaps second to the Pug 205 GTI. From a utilitarian perspective it's a shame they didn't put the rear lights in the boot hatch, instead of putting them on the body of the car and narrowing the boot opening, but I guess they must have had their reasons.

em177

3,146 posts

190 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
Best looking BMW's for me are:

X6
Hmm.....

rumple

14,273 posts

177 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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em177 said:
300bhp/ton said:
Best looking BMW's for me are:

X6
Hmm.....
Hmm.....+1

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

216 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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em177 said:
Hmm.....
I think they look great. Like a giant R/C car! biggrin

KaraK

13,731 posts

235 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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rumple said:
em177 said:
300bhp/ton said:
Best looking BMW's for me are:

X6
Hmm.....
Hmm.....+1
Aesthetics are very divisive and for the most part what people consider looks good can vary massively.

I happen to think the BMWs of the era the OP is talking about are very dull and in the modern era very dated. That doesn't mean he's wrong - just that we like different things thumbup

milfordkong

1,307 posts

258 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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My good god.... I was nodding along with you until you said X6 - All design is subjective but christ seriously?

kambites

71,053 posts

247 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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For me, their looks started to go down-hill after the E46.

The E60 took a while to grow on me but I ended up liking it by the time it was replaced; everything since has been pretty terrible looking.


Perhaps more depressingly, as far as I can tell they're completely lost their way with chassis and control setup. frown

Edited by kambites on Friday 20th July 16:18

StottyZr

6,860 posts

189 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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I have no evidence to back this statement up whatsoever but experiance from other walks of life leaves me to believe it will be accurate...

The majority of new models will have had "questionable" looks at the time of release, then years later the looks grow on people.

B3Svert

553 posts

218 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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kambites said:
For me, their looks started to go down-hill after the E46.

The E60 took a while to grow on me but I ended up liking it by the time it was replaced; everything since has been pretty terrible looking.


Perhaps more depressingly, as far as I can tell they're completely lost their way with chassis and control setup. frown

Edited by kambites on Friday 20th July 16:18
e46 was also great but IMO not in saloon form. Coupe/Cab/Touring was spot on.

Totally agree with the chassis, but then any e90+ era models I have driven have all had M Sport suspension and run-flats which killed it.

Slightly O/T My favourite BMW to drive was my old M535i, firm but supple suspension with nice fat tyres and a slippy diff - perfect combination!


monthefish

20,467 posts

257 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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kambites said:
Perhaps more depressingly, as far as I can tell they're completely lost their way with chassis and control setup. frown

Edited by kambites on Friday 20th July 16:18
sleep


Jeez, Kambites - can you not just leave at least one thread on PH without comment about chassis and how wheels have got too big, blah, blah, blah....

There is (far) more to cars than just a good chassis.

kambites

71,053 posts

247 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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monthefish said:
There is (far) more to cars than just a good chassis.
Yup. There's... N-Cap ratings; load carrying capacity; iso-fix mounts; towing capacity;... hehe

ETA: I could maybe forgive BMW's slide into mediocrity if they hadn't also ditched their lovely N/A I6 engines, but now they seem to offer little over Ford, really.

Edited by kambites on Friday 20th July 16:37

Rawwr

22,722 posts

260 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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I think the E46 is almost perfectly designed. One of those perfectly proportioned designs that still looks good today. The E39 is almost in the same camp, if a little blancmangy.

kambites

71,053 posts

247 months

Friday 20th July 2012
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Rawwr said:
I think the E46 is almost perfectly designed. One of those perfectly proportioned designs that still looks good today. The E39 is almost in the same camp, if a little blancmangy.
yes Especially the estate.

tommy vercetti

11,606 posts

189 months

Saturday 21st July 2012
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Favourite BMW design is the E60, I think it looks just perfect and is very pretty, imo.

Pommygranite

14,455 posts

242 months

Saturday 21st July 2012
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BMW Z1 - looks fab and a future classic.


0a

24,109 posts

220 months

Saturday 21st July 2012
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I love the e34 touring, wonderful:


FlybyWyre

435 posts

220 months

Saturday 21st July 2012
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BMW saloons are a classic 3 box shape which is functional. The front grill is really clever. Without the grill a BMW saloon looks like a 60s Morris Oxford.
Easy job being a BMW stylist (apart from that 5 series a few years back)
The X6 looks like...................How many have they sold in the UK?
The local milkman has a pickup Sooty van with a BMW grill, looks great!