Dartford toll fag packet maths (Got bored)
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So sat in traffic today waiting to cross the toll bridge started thinking about how much money it must make.
Originally was thinking just for the 4 lanes of traffic on the motorway but then expanded to how much for the actual toll road all booths.
So i figure 12 booths during evening rush hr 3.30-6.30pm...
2 for trucks
2 for multi axle
8 for cars
6 vehicles per min per lane (very conservative figure i suspect more like 12 1 every 5 secs instead of ten)
Trucks = £44 per min
Multi axle = £24
Cars = £77
Total per minute = £140
Total per Hour = £8400
Total per evening rush her = £ 25 200
Thats for one side only.
So rough fag packet during evening rush hr dartford toll makes £50k per day
If we assume the same situation for morning thats £100k per day for 6 hrs.
Thats not including the periods in between and its also a very conservative number.
Originally was thinking just for the 4 lanes of traffic on the motorway but then expanded to how much for the actual toll road all booths.
So i figure 12 booths during evening rush hr 3.30-6.30pm...
2 for trucks
2 for multi axle
8 for cars
6 vehicles per min per lane (very conservative figure i suspect more like 12 1 every 5 secs instead of ten)
Trucks = £44 per min
Multi axle = £24
Cars = £77
Total per minute = £140
Total per Hour = £8400
Total per evening rush her = £ 25 200
Thats for one side only.
So rough fag packet during evening rush hr dartford toll makes £50k per day
If we assume the same situation for morning thats £100k per day for 6 hrs.
Thats not including the periods in between and its also a very conservative number.
drakart said:
Ever seen a repair bill for a big bridge and two bores? Also I imagine that debt repayments are rather high.
There are none. Debt was repaid in 2002 to the best of my knowledge.Since then it has been pure profit (well ok less costs but it doesnt cost roughly 54 million quid a year and soon to rise to maintain a bridge). At a guess a million a week at this point.
calibrax said:
On my way home tonight on the M25, the matrix sign near J5 had on it "Dartford Toll Charges Suspended". Anyone know why this was? Never seen that before...
Due to very heavy traffic and the fact its olympics and they dont want the bad public pr. Never fear the "we couldnt give a crap about motorists" nonsense will begin again once the olympics are over.TallbutBuxomly said:
drakart said:
Ever seen a repair bill for a big bridge and two bores? Also I imagine that debt repayments are rather high.
There are none. Debt was repaid in 2002 to the best of my knowledge.Since then it has been pure profit (well ok less costs but it doesn't cost roughly 54 million quid a year and soon to rise to maintain a bridge). At a guess a million a week at this point.
drakart said:
I think you would be suprised to see the cost of Planned Preventative Maintenance for a big bridge and two tunnel bores. With 150,000 daily users, there is no doubting the turnover but I doubt there is much of a profit.
Yes but as we already fund that with all the other taxes we pay that's kind of irrelevant. The original agreement was tolls until the bridge was paid for. That was 2002.........It's not like our road taxes are spent hand over fist on new roads is it??
The queues have been bad all week. Took me ages to get over and back around lunch time, no toll suspension then.
TallbutBuxomly said:
So sat in traffic today waiting to cross the toll bridge started thinking about how much money it must make.
Have you considered a quick google and reading the accounts to cross-check with your fagpack maths? Although I could only find 2009/10, submitted in 2011. I'm sure there's something more recent... http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/documents/S100293...Here's what's happening during the Olympics... http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/projects/4065.asp...
bigandclever said:
Have you considered a quick google and reading the accounts to cross-check with your fagpack maths? Although I could only find 2009/10, submitted in 2011. I'm sure there's something more recent... http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/documents/S100293...
Here's what's happening during the Olympics... http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/projects/4065.asp...
Just looked at that and dont buy it all unless we are misreading it and it is millions in which case it ties up with my thinking which would make a lot more sense.Here's what's happening during the Olympics... http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/projects/4065.asp...
£73 564 000 total income makes sense.
£73 564 total income does not. Thats less than 7k a month. Not a chance in hell. There are more than 7k cars going through the tolls a day.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Just looked at that and dont buy it all unless we are misreading it and it is millions in which case it ties up with my thinking which would make a lot more sense.
£73 564 000 total income makes sense.
£73 564 total income does not. Thats less than 7k a month. Not a chance in hell. There are more than 7k cars going through the tolls a day.
Of course it's in "£’000", like it says £73 564 000 total income makes sense.
£73 564 total income does not. Thats less than 7k a month. Not a chance in hell. There are more than 7k cars going through the tolls a day.
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