Clicking noise on startup, goes away once warmed up.
Clicking noise on startup, goes away once warmed up.
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Greengecko

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594 posts

168 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Hello,

We have an old (1998) Ford KA that is used as a spare family car, a town run around kind of thing. For about a month or so now I've noticed that if it goes a day or two without use then on start-up and the first few minutes of driving there is a clicking sound that increases with revs. Once it's warmed up the sound seems to go and everything is fine, seems a bit groggy on start up as well but that may just be because it's old.

Any ideas mechanically what this is and how much it could cost to fix (would it be worth it?).

Regards

James_N

3,259 posts

255 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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I'm not mechanically minded at all so apologies if i'm on the wrong track but as soon as I read that I thought "tappets".

A quick look on google shows plenty of results for Ford Ka noisey tappets.

Willeh85

760 posts

164 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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James_N said:
I'm not mechanically minded at all so apologies if i'm on the wrong track but as soon as I read that I thought "tappets".

A quick look on google shows plenty of results for Ford Ka noisey tappets.
I thought the exact same thing. I just sold my Focus and It was making the same noises in the same manor.

My power steering fluid was completely empty due to a leak, fixed the pipe and filled up the reservoir again and that noise seemed to go away. This however might have been just a coincidence and I'd stopped noticing the noise. Worth checking though.



twink

392 posts

170 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Does sound like tappets. Oil and filter change with a bottle of Wynns lifter treatment should sort it.

hogfisch

294 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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From what I recall of my wife's old Ka, the tappets are adjustable on the Ka. It is a relatively straightforward job. You'll need a set of feeler gauges, some spanners and probably a new rocker cover gasket (or just ask a garage to make the adjustments).

Pints

18,448 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Older Fords were fairly notorious for their noisy tappets. I recall many an hour under the bonnet of a friend's Ford Bantam trying to get it sorted back in the late 90s.

Matt_N

8,982 posts

223 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Yep, the tappets need re-setting.

We seemed to do them every other week on my mate's old Fiesta!

98elise

31,076 posts

182 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Adjustable tappets on a Modern car? They must by hydraulic, ford went to hydraulic around the CVH engine in the 80's.

They can still get noisy though, the lifter just needs to be replaced. Its not terminal though, so I wouldn't worry about it if you hardly use the car.

Matt_N

8,982 posts

223 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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98elise said:
Adjustable tappets on a Modern car? They must by hydraulic, ford went to hydraulic around the CVH engine in the 80's.

They can still get noisy though, the lifter just needs to be replaced. Its not terminal though, so I wouldn't worry about it if you hardly use the car.
Up until about 2002 the engine in the KA has routes back to the old Kent engine from the 50s, it's not modern by any stretch!

The KA Endura engine does have mechanical tappets, there are many guides available online.


hogfisch

294 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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The OP's Ka is a 98 model. As I recall, this will have the OHV engine fitted with adjustable tappets.

Matt_N

8,982 posts

223 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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hogfisch said:
The OP's Ka is a 98 model. As I recall, this will have the OHV engine fitted with adjustable tappets.
Yep, as I posted, they changed to the Duratec around 2002.

GTIR

24,741 posts

287 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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It's your wife tutting and moaning then as you go faster the road noise drowns her out.

Easy fix. Divorce. smile

Next question...

littleredrooster

6,095 posts

217 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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The usual wild-guess replies to a technical question on GG!!

So, for the correct answer: Yes, a Ka of this era has 'tappets'. It also has fekkin great big pushrods 'cos it's essentially a Kent engine from the 1960s. No OHC here, no sir!

They're well-known for rattling like mad (esp. when cold) but at least this means that the valve-clearances are too big rather than too tight, which would be a bad thing.

Adjust them at your leisure, put up with the rattling, or turn the radio up. I would do the latter. smile

FlauM

380 posts

174 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Lol I love the sound of noisy ford tappets. It's what makes an old Ford :P

Greengecko

Original Poster:

594 posts

168 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Thanks for the replies guys, mind at ease.

So would it be fine driving it around town (rarely goes above 30mph), until its next trip to a garage sometime later in the year?

ninjacost

980 posts

243 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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could be exhaust manifold leak

Vince70

1,943 posts

215 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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Mines been making the same noise for the last 18 months, it sounds like sticky tappets to me.
Try using the Wynns tappet treatment as someone has already mentioned but for the best results it needs to put in after a fresh oil change.
I think it only costs £8 from halfords, so even if it doesn't work you haven't wasted a great deal of money.
The reason I haven't done mine yet is because I'm waiting to get a new mot and service done and won't put it in till I've got some fresh oil in the car as I'm too tight to waste 8 quid lol.
Also if you have the old Kent, endura, ohv engine in your car then they do rattle a bit once they have done a few miles, as they need readjusting once in awhile, I think there's a sticker on the rocker cover with the info you need.
It's a very old engine design it was first used in Stevenson's rocket.