V5 problem with car bought from Northern Ireland
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I recently bought a car from a private seller in Northern Ireland. Before the purchase I did a bit of homework on the Internet and was led to believe that, as NI is part of GB, to all intents and purposes the purchase would be no different from buying a car on the mainland. The problem I have now is to do with the number of previous owners on the V5.
First of all, the facts: I am the THIRD owner of the car.
The car's first owner from new was in England.
The car's second owner was the NI based owner who bought the car from an official dealer in York.
I bought the car privately from the NI based owner.
The problem I have is that my V5 only states one previous owner, the details of whom are the car's first owner.
This onviously poses a problem when I come to sell the car as the number of owners on the V5 do not match the true situation.
The problem may be aggravated by the fact that the NI owner had a private plate on the car formthe duration of his ownership - but I'm not sure?
Anyone else got any experience of buying a car from NI which started life on the mainland then bringing it back to the mainland?
First of all, the facts: I am the THIRD owner of the car.
The car's first owner from new was in England.
The car's second owner was the NI based owner who bought the car from an official dealer in York.
I bought the car privately from the NI based owner.
The problem I have is that my V5 only states one previous owner, the details of whom are the car's first owner.
This onviously poses a problem when I come to sell the car as the number of owners on the V5 do not match the true situation.
The problem may be aggravated by the fact that the NI owner had a private plate on the car formthe duration of his ownership - but I'm not sure?
Anyone else got any experience of buying a car from NI which started life on the mainland then bringing it back to the mainland?
Dredd123 said:
I recently bought a car from a private seller in Northern Ireland. Before the purchase I did a bit of homework on the Internet and was led to believe that, as NI is part of GB, to all intents and purposes the purchase would be no different from buying a car on the mainland. The problem I have now is to do with the number of previous owners on the V5.
First of all, the facts: I am the THIRD owner of the car.
The car's first owner from new was in England.
The car's second owner was the NI based owner who bought the car from an official dealer in York.
I bought the car privately from the NI based owner.
The problem I have is that my V5 only states one previous owner, the details of whom are the car's first owner.
This onviously poses a problem when I come to sell the car as the number of owners on the V5 do not match the true situation.
The problem may be aggravated by the fact that the NI owner had a private plate on the car formthe duration of his ownership - but I'm not sure?
Anyone else got any experience of buying a car from NI which started life on the mainland then bringing it back to the mainland?
Not sure what the problem is? You've traced the history of the car and its easily explainable to any future prospective purchasers, and its not as if the V5 is stating MORE owners than the car has had.First of all, the facts: I am the THIRD owner of the car.
The car's first owner from new was in England.
The car's second owner was the NI based owner who bought the car from an official dealer in York.
I bought the car privately from the NI based owner.
The problem I have is that my V5 only states one previous owner, the details of whom are the car's first owner.
This onviously poses a problem when I come to sell the car as the number of owners on the V5 do not match the true situation.
The problem may be aggravated by the fact that the NI owner had a private plate on the car formthe duration of his ownership - but I'm not sure?
Anyone else got any experience of buying a car from NI which started life on the mainland then bringing it back to the mainland?
Magic919 said:
You soon find out that DVLA and DVLNI are two separate entities. Ring NI and I expect they can send you a letter to confirm the 'missing' owner.
Not totally separate.All NI v5's are now issued by swansea, but i dont think they are fully merged - yet - hence the O/P's 'problem'
I am just concerned that the V5 is not accurate regarding the number of previous owners and needs some explaining to a potential buyer (I know that personally this would ring alarm bells for me and put me off - how can I prove the car didn't have any number of other owners whilst it was in NI). I would much rather the V5 had the correct number of previous owners on it.
If I had known this issue would arise I would never have bought the car in the first place (hence why I did my research first and all the 'experts' on the Internet said buying a car from NI is no different from buying from mainland UK)
If I had known this issue would arise I would never have bought the car in the first place (hence why I did my research first and all the 'experts' on the Internet said buying a car from NI is no different from buying from mainland UK)
Dredd123 said:
I am just concerned that the V5 is not accurate regarding the number of previous owners and needs some explaining to a potential buyer (I know that personally this would ring alarm bells for me and put me off - how can I prove the car didn't have any number of other owners whilst it was in NI). I would much rather the V5 had the correct number of previous owners on it.
If I had known this issue would arise I would never have bought the car in the first place (hence why I did my research first and all the 'experts' on the Internet said buying a car from NI is no different from buying from mainland UK)
You're blowing this way out of proportion. Its easily explainable to a prospective future buyer.If I had known this issue would arise I would never have bought the car in the first place (hence why I did my research first and all the 'experts' on the Internet said buying a car from NI is no different from buying from mainland UK)
Dredd123 said:
I am just concerned that the V5 is not accurate regarding the number of previous owners and needs some explaining to a potential buyer (I know that personally this would ring alarm bells for me and put me off - how can I prove the car didn't have any number of other owners whilst it was in NI). I would much rather the V5 had the correct number of previous owners on it.
1. does it really matter? Is it a rare, special or highly expensive car? If not I see no problem at all. Most people don't give a chuff about previous owners (and rightly so).2. Have you actually tried contacting the DVLA rather than posting on a forum that actually won't be able to resolve any problem?
Dredd123 said:
If I had known this issue would arise I would never have bought the car in the first place (hence why I did my research first and all the 'experts' on the Internet said buying a car from NI is no different from buying from mainland UK)
If this isn't some uber rare exotic classic, then this statement is almost enough to have you committed. Truly sign of being a mental case. 
Dredd123 said:
If you haven't got anything helpful to say why don't you keep your (virtual) gob shut, pratt.
Calm down, dear.If the V5 doesn't mention the NI owner, how would any future purchaser even know the car left the country? Even if the service book has services carried out in NI, that doesn't mean that it wasn't the first owner, travelling about who had them done there.
Or does the V5 show an ownership 'gap'?
I think that was a reasonable response to someone suggesting I am mentally ill.
There is no 'gap' as such, but the car has been serviced in NI and I have all the paperwork associated with the service (which includes the name of the owner at the time, which is obviously NOT the name of the one previous owner detailed on the V5).
I would expect any HPI check to show up details that the car has been to NI so should have some ownership details of this in the owner history on the V5.
I have contacted the DVLA and the DVANI about this but almost lost the will to live on the matter as three different individuals told me three totally different stories ranging from "yes I can sort it out straight away for you, but I can't do it now as I need to ring DVANI and they are now closed", to "no this can't be done", to finally yes we can do it but you need to write in to us and explain the whole situation blah blah blah.
FFS I would expect this to be simple to do and all I asked on here was if anyone has any experience of a similar situation and had successfully managed to get the DVLA/DVANI to do what I want to do, which is amend the V5 with details of the owner in NI.
There is no 'gap' as such, but the car has been serviced in NI and I have all the paperwork associated with the service (which includes the name of the owner at the time, which is obviously NOT the name of the one previous owner detailed on the V5).
I would expect any HPI check to show up details that the car has been to NI so should have some ownership details of this in the owner history on the V5.
I have contacted the DVLA and the DVANI about this but almost lost the will to live on the matter as three different individuals told me three totally different stories ranging from "yes I can sort it out straight away for you, but I can't do it now as I need to ring DVANI and they are now closed", to "no this can't be done", to finally yes we can do it but you need to write in to us and explain the whole situation blah blah blah.
FFS I would expect this to be simple to do and all I asked on here was if anyone has any experience of a similar situation and had successfully managed to get the DVLA/DVANI to do what I want to do, which is amend the V5 with details of the owner in NI.
Dredd123 said:
I think that was a reasonable response to someone suggesting I am mentally ill.
To be fair you did state you wouldn't have bought the car, on the sole basis of a single digit on the V5 being wrong, on an item that to 90% of people is unlikely to matter. It's even in your favour. Talk about taking things way out of proportion.If it's a £150,000 classic then I can understand, if it isn't.....
Dredd123 said:
There is no 'gap' as such, but the car has been serviced in NI and I have all the paperwork associated with the service (which includes the name of the owner at the time, which is obviously NOT the name of the one previous owner detailed on the V5).
I would expect any HPI check to show up details that the car has been to NI so should have some ownership details of this in the owner history on the V5.
I have contacted the DVLA and the DVANI about this but almost lost the will to live on the matter as three different individuals told me three totally different stories ranging from "yes I can sort it out straight away for you, but I can't do it now as I need to ring DVANI and they are now closed", to "no this can't be done", to finally yes we can do it but you need to write in to us and explain the whole situation blah blah blah.
FFS I would expect this to be simple to do and all I asked on here was if anyone has any experience of a similar situation and had successfully managed to get the DVLA/DVANI to do what I want to do, which is amend the V5 with details of the owner in NI.
So is the car in question worth the hassle?I would expect any HPI check to show up details that the car has been to NI so should have some ownership details of this in the owner history on the V5.
I have contacted the DVLA and the DVANI about this but almost lost the will to live on the matter as three different individuals told me three totally different stories ranging from "yes I can sort it out straight away for you, but I can't do it now as I need to ring DVANI and they are now closed", to "no this can't be done", to finally yes we can do it but you need to write in to us and explain the whole situation blah blah blah.
FFS I would expect this to be simple to do and all I asked on here was if anyone has any experience of a similar situation and had successfully managed to get the DVLA/DVANI to do what I want to do, which is amend the V5 with details of the owner in NI.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 8th August 13:56
Magic919 said:
You soon find out that DVLA and DVLNI are two separate entities. Ring NI and I expect they can send you a letter to confirm the 'missing' owner.
Thanks Magic, I will try this tack. If they can do this, I also have a photocopy of the V5 whilst the NI owner had the car, I would be happy with that.
I moved from NI back to England bringing my car back with me. Originally it was a mainland registered Xantia S--- --- (can't remember exactly) and 'imported' to NI and given the plate YIW 1393. When I moved back, I had to fill out an application to 'register' the car as an import back to GB. It was simply given back it's S--- --- number and the relevent number of previous keepers updated on the 'new'(GB) V5 doc.
As you are importing a car from NI this should be as simple as pie. Fill out the application for registration, include NI V5 and MOT (if applicable) and Robert is your mother's brother. No doubt Swansea will request money for providing this service, but the car should get it's original GB plate back.
As you are importing a car from NI this should be as simple as pie. Fill out the application for registration, include NI V5 and MOT (if applicable) and Robert is your mother's brother. No doubt Swansea will request money for providing this service, but the car should get it's original GB plate back.
Wow - you'd not have liked the mess my S3 ended up in. DVLNI thought it was an S4 for some reason and had the engine size and all sorts wrong. Got most of it sorted out when I imported it over here however the date of first registration / manufacture and number of keepers never made total sense thanks to the DVLA, but who really cares? Especially on here you'll find people that are interested in the condition and history of a car more than the number of owners.
I suspect the person that suggested you write to the DVLA explaining the problem is correct, that was my understanding if there was anything else I wanted sorting out.
I suspect the person that suggested you write to the DVLA explaining the problem is correct, that was my understanding if there was anything else I wanted sorting out.
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