How much does it cost you to run your car?
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I have been doing a lot of shopping around recently for a new car due to my commute 25k a year.
Using http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-16... I have calculated the total cost of 3 cars, including insurance and ROI motor tax rates, €100 for servicing etc.
1) My 1.7 Puma: 33mpg (Edited)
Cost per day: €21.75
Cost per month: €660
Per year: €7958
2) Saab 9-5 Aero: 30mpg
Per day: €25.84
Per Month: €783
Per year: €9406
3) Saab 9-5 Aero (LPG) including conversion cost: (adjusted for slightly higher consumption due to LPG, 30mpg - 25mpg)
Per day: €22.70
Per month: €688
Per year: €8260
4) Ford Mondeo TDCI: 45mpg
Per day: €18.43
Per month: €559
Per year: €6708
I cant believe there is not more of a difference!
Over to you....
Using http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-16... I have calculated the total cost of 3 cars, including insurance and ROI motor tax rates, €100 for servicing etc.
1) My 1.7 Puma: 33mpg (Edited)
Cost per day: €21.75
Cost per month: €660
Per year: €7958
2) Saab 9-5 Aero: 30mpg
Per day: €25.84
Per Month: €783
Per year: €9406
3) Saab 9-5 Aero (LPG) including conversion cost: (adjusted for slightly higher consumption due to LPG, 30mpg - 25mpg)
Per day: €22.70
Per month: €688
Per year: €8260
4) Ford Mondeo TDCI: 45mpg
Per day: €18.43
Per month: €559
Per year: €6708
I cant believe there is not more of a difference!
Over to you....
Edited by wolfy1988 on Tuesday 14th August 22:58
wolfy1988 said:
I have been doing a lot of shopping around recently for a new car due to my commute 25k a year.
Using http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-16... I have calculated the total cost of 3 cars, including insurance and ROI motor tax rates, €100 for servicing etc.
1) My 1.7 Puma: 36mpg
Cost per day: €20.68
Cost per month: €621.43
Per year: €7458
2) Saab 9-5 Aero: 30mpg
Per day: €25.84
Per Month: €783
Per year: €9406
3) Saab 9-5 Aero (LPG) including conversion cost: (adjusted for slightly higher consumption due to LPG, 30mpg - 25mpg)
Per day: €22.70
Per month: €688
Per year: €8260
4) Ford Mondeo TDCI: 45mpg
Per day: €18.43
Per month: €559
Per year: €6708
I cant believe there is not more of a difference! I was really hoping the LPG Saab would give a better argument than that!
Over to you....
Have you calculated service schedules. The Mondeo can probably go 18k between oil changes. The Puma will not. Same for the Saabs IMO.Using http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-16... I have calculated the total cost of 3 cars, including insurance and ROI motor tax rates, €100 for servicing etc.
1) My 1.7 Puma: 36mpg
Cost per day: €20.68
Cost per month: €621.43
Per year: €7458
2) Saab 9-5 Aero: 30mpg
Per day: €25.84
Per Month: €783
Per year: €9406
3) Saab 9-5 Aero (LPG) including conversion cost: (adjusted for slightly higher consumption due to LPG, 30mpg - 25mpg)
Per day: €22.70
Per month: €688
Per year: €8260
4) Ford Mondeo TDCI: 45mpg
Per day: €18.43
Per month: €559
Per year: €6708
I cant believe there is not more of a difference! I was really hoping the LPG Saab would give a better argument than that!
Over to you....
Edited by wolfy1988 on Tuesday 14th August 22:39
At 25k I really do think you are in diesel territory. Are these motorway miles? Is a Puma a comfortable thing for motorway miles? I'd also question the 36mpg. I struggled to get 35mpg out of my wife's C3 and that was motorway miles. Maybe the Puma makes lighter work of everything as it has a decent amount of grunt for sunch a little car.
bakerstreet said:
Have you calculated service schedules. The Mondeo can probably go 18k between oil changes. The Puma will not. Same for the Saabs IMO.
At 25k I really do think you are in diesel territory. Are these motorway miles? Is a Puma a comfortable thing for motorway miles? I'd also question the 36mpg. I struggled to get 35mpg out of my wife's C3 and that was motorway miles. Maybe the Puma makes lighter work of everything as it has a decent amount of grunt for sunch a little car.
No I have budgeted €100 per car, I am competent with spanners and parts are inexpensive for me. I do however understand what your saying.At 25k I really do think you are in diesel territory. Are these motorway miles? Is a Puma a comfortable thing for motorway miles? I'd also question the 36mpg. I struggled to get 35mpg out of my wife's C3 and that was motorway miles. Maybe the Puma makes lighter work of everything as it has a decent amount of grunt for sunch a little car.
And yes I probably am being optimistic with the Puma, I will re do it at 33, 90% motorway then a bloody thrash up the back roads for the remainder!
Its not a motorway car that's for sure, really had my heart sat on a LPG Saab Aero/ BMW 325 etc
Not ruled out just difficult to justify
Depending on the speed of the run, a decent commute in a Puma should give 35mpg - they are surprisingly economical when not thrashed.
A smallish diesel should give 60mpg minimum for that sort of commute, if not considerably more. I have just had over 70mpg out of a tank on mine, not motorway miles but mainly hilly A roads at NSL speeds.
A smallish diesel should give 60mpg minimum for that sort of commute, if not considerably more. I have just had over 70mpg out of a tank on mine, not motorway miles but mainly hilly A roads at NSL speeds.
Rollcage said:
Depending on the speed of the run, a decent commute in a Puma should give 35mpg - they are surprisingly economical when not thrashed.
A smallish diesel should give 60mpg minimum for that sort of commute, if not considerably more. I have just had over 70mpg out of a tank on mine, not motorway miles but mainly hilly A roads at NSL speeds.
I get around 300miles from a FULL tank of juice from the PumaA smallish diesel should give 60mpg minimum for that sort of commute, if not considerably more. I have just had over 70mpg out of a tank on mine, not motorway miles but mainly hilly A roads at NSL speeds.
70mpg is fantastic mpg, Great little cars them Pandas!
Edited by wolfy1988 on Tuesday 14th August 23:05
Panda Multijet.
I can get over 80mpg out of it, but I have to try!
The 70mpg tank was on holiday in Scotland - several decently long journeys, but very hilly.
It will also sit at 90 on the motorway quite easily, but not give quite the same economy, more like just under 50 at that sort of speed.
It is surprisingly good on the motorway - good torque and low weight!
I can get over 80mpg out of it, but I have to try!
The 70mpg tank was on holiday in Scotland - several decently long journeys, but very hilly.
It will also sit at 90 on the motorway quite easily, but not give quite the same economy, more like just under 50 at that sort of speed.
It is surprisingly good on the motorway - good torque and low weight!
falkster said:
My ML does 55mpg and is only £150 a year insurance - my wife told me I had to have a cheap hack for work.
WHat ML is this that gets 55mpg??? Or is this the classic PH thing. 'I can get 50mpg on a run'! Its great saying that, but we dont all drive on motorways all the time. In answer to the OP. Something like the Megan 1.5DCI 88 or 105 will get 60+ mpg
I'm looking to buy one in the upcoming months. The key number is what is the cost per mile.
Take a look at my garage as you will see when all costs are taken into consideration cost per mile always tends to average out at the £0.45-0.60 with the key difference being our have price as in higher depreciation.
Fuel is generally £0.17 per mile diesel or £0.26 per mile petrol.
Then add in insurance tyres depreciation MOT servicing annually but then also factor in discs and pads every 3 years clutch maybe every 5 years etc etc not just the routine servicing costs.
Depreciation could be the same cost on a per mile basis as fuel - unless you buy a cheap used car and then you could end up with much higher Maintence costs.
I'd say the key thing for cheap ownership costs is to buy at three years old then run for 7 years ie buy at 50% list price and your options will add zero value so you win then sell after 7 years do a ten year old car things may start to go wrong so you max it's usage in that time. After ten years more is possible to go wrong be it thermostats radiators exhausts bushes shocks springs dents gearbox wear clutch turbo DPF injectors some of these could go wrong and they would represent such a large % of the cars value it would be painful to accept. But sell before and your imthe 3-10 year sweet spot of ownership.
Thats my tip.
Boredom though kicks in and you want a change
Take a look at my garage as you will see when all costs are taken into consideration cost per mile always tends to average out at the £0.45-0.60 with the key difference being our have price as in higher depreciation.
Fuel is generally £0.17 per mile diesel or £0.26 per mile petrol.
Then add in insurance tyres depreciation MOT servicing annually but then also factor in discs and pads every 3 years clutch maybe every 5 years etc etc not just the routine servicing costs.
Depreciation could be the same cost on a per mile basis as fuel - unless you buy a cheap used car and then you could end up with much higher Maintence costs.
I'd say the key thing for cheap ownership costs is to buy at three years old then run for 7 years ie buy at 50% list price and your options will add zero value so you win then sell after 7 years do a ten year old car things may start to go wrong so you max it's usage in that time. After ten years more is possible to go wrong be it thermostats radiators exhausts bushes shocks springs dents gearbox wear clutch turbo DPF injectors some of these could go wrong and they would represent such a large % of the cars value it would be painful to accept. But sell before and your imthe 3-10 year sweet spot of ownership.
Thats my tip.
Boredom though kicks in and you want a change
All good point Welshy.
My little Fiat is also very cheap to maintain - consumables such as tyres ,brakes and service items are cheap as chips, and it has no dual mass flywheel or DPF to go expensively wrong. A service at Fiat has never been more than £240 in it's life. Servicing costs over the 70k it has done are less than 1k all in, at Fiat.
Even depreciation has been low - bought for under 7k brand new, and probably still worth 3k now, 6 years later.
My little Fiat is also very cheap to maintain - consumables such as tyres ,brakes and service items are cheap as chips, and it has no dual mass flywheel or DPF to go expensively wrong. A service at Fiat has never been more than £240 in it's life. Servicing costs over the 70k it has done are less than 1k all in, at Fiat.
Even depreciation has been low - bought for under 7k brand new, and probably still worth 3k now, 6 years later.
2005 Honda Civic Type-S 2-litre (purchased when 1 year old) cost me £3,030 for just over 10,000 miles in the twelve months to the end of July. That is ALL costs - insurance, road tax, petrol, servicing, tyres, depreciation, etc. So 30p/mile.
For the same period my wife's 2010 Clio 1.2TCE Dymanique (also bought when 1 year old) cost £2,331 for slightly over 4,000 miles, so 58p/mile
For the same period my wife's 2010 Clio 1.2TCE Dymanique (also bought when 1 year old) cost £2,331 for slightly over 4,000 miles, so 58p/mile
Mine has done 72mpg on a run, but the long term average has fallen to 57mpg.
Not bad for a car of its size, with genuine 140mph+ capability and 0-60 in about 8s.
The man maths bit is that it has a list price of over £38K the way I specced it, meaning the 1000 mile range for £80 of diesel is somewhat moot.
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Not bad for a car of its size, with genuine 140mph+ capability and 0-60 in about 8s.
The man maths bit is that it has a list price of over £38K the way I specced it, meaning the 1000 mile range for £80 of diesel is somewhat moot.
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As mentioned earlier.
buy a car older than 3rd birthday, younger than 4th birthday
Sell when 10 years old.
Ignore mileage, 100,000 miles is no problem for a 3 year old car, as it will all be motorway at 80 - 90 mph. insist on history services.
Buy fleet cars, eg, the new shape Mondeo.
vette
buy a car older than 3rd birthday, younger than 4th birthday
Sell when 10 years old.
Ignore mileage, 100,000 miles is no problem for a 3 year old car, as it will all be motorway at 80 - 90 mph. insist on history services.
Buy fleet cars, eg, the new shape Mondeo.
vette
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