Jaguar reliability and build quality
Discussion
I've rather upset a few people on here - 'Monthefish' mainly - by daring to suggest that Jaguar were other then a paragon of reliability and exemplary build quality from the mid 70's to the present day. I've never owned - or had the slightest desire to own - a Jag, so of course i'm basing by comments on prejudice, gut instinct, and of course the many reliability surveys carried out year on year. So, in the interest of broadening my mind - please prove me wrong. However, please do this empirically, with some statistics - not anecdotal evidence along the lines of 'I owned one and it never broke down'. I'll go first from my perspective:
What Car:
Jaguar
• League position: 23rd
• Claims per 100 vehicles: 37.9
• Average age (years): 4.39
• Average mileage: 45,828
• Average repair cost: £451
• Average time for repair (hours): 2.4
This is an improvement on Jaguar’s 25th place and 41.7 claims for every 100 cars in last year’s survey, but it is still not an impressive showing.
Only seven other makes experienced more claims and, with average repair costs of £451, only four others were more expensive to put right.
More than half of the claims made by Jaguar owners were related to suspension and axle failings, but problems occurred on all components from electrical and heating and ventilation systems to engines and transmissions.
Individual models appear low-down on the overall table, with the S-type sitting in 65th place and the XJ8 in 66th. The XK8 sits ninth from the bottom at 92nd.
Verdict: ** A very poor performance from a quality brand – there’s a lot of work to do.
Evening Standard:
Popular Land Rover and Jaguar models are among the least reliable vehicles in a survey of more than 84,000 cars featured in Which? Car magazine today.
Jaguar's S-type and XF as well as Land Rover's Freelander and Discovery were relegated to positions towards the bottom of the most reliable list compiled by the magazine.
The least reliable model of all was the Audi A5 with a score of 75.8% while the most reliable, on 98.5%, was the Honda Accord.
Which? Car, which looked at vehicles up to eight years old, said owners reported problems with the electronics of the Audi A5.
In contrast, Japanese models dominated the most reliable top 10, with the Honda Jazz (2008 to the present) second, the Honda Jazz (2002-2008) sixth and the Honda Civic Hybrid (2006 to the present) seventh.
The overall reliability score was based on the number of breakdowns, faults and niggles reported by owners.
Which? Car editor Richard Headland said: "Owning a reliable car can make the difference between getting your summer holiday off to a flying start and sitting on the hard shoulder of the M6. You can't do better than the Honda Accord, which is one of the most reliable cars we've ever surveyed.
"Japanese cars in the main seem to run like clockwork, although there are a few exceptions to the rule. It's also encouraging to see good reliability scores for the best-selling Ford Fiesta and other small, economical cars."
These were the 10 most reliable cars:
Car score
1. Honda Accord (2008-present) 98.5%
2. Honda Jazz (2008-present) 98.2%
3. Daihatsu Sirion (2005-present) 97.5%
4. Hyundai i30 (2007-present) 96.8%
5. Ford Fiesta (2008-present) 96.2%
6. Honda Jazz (2002-2008) 95.9%
7. Honda Civic Hybrid (2006-present) 95.7%
8. Citroen C1 (2005-present) 95.7%
9. Toyota Prius (2004-present) 95.0%
10. Mazda 3 (2004-2008) 94.4%
These were the least reliable cars:
112. Hyundai Santa Fe (2006-present) 82.2%
113. Jaguar S-type (1999-2007) 81.2%
114. Volvo XC90 (2002-present) 80.6%
115. Land Rover Freelander (2006-present) 80.1%
116. Ford S-Max (2006-present) 79.9%
117. Land Rover Discovery (2004-present) 79.5%
118. Alfa Romeo 159 (2006-present) 79.0%
119. Jaguar XF (2008-present) 78.0%
120. Ford Galaxy (2006-present) 76.3%
121. Audi A5 (2007-present) 75.8%
Over to you...
What Car:
Jaguar
• League position: 23rd
• Claims per 100 vehicles: 37.9
• Average age (years): 4.39
• Average mileage: 45,828
• Average repair cost: £451
• Average time for repair (hours): 2.4
This is an improvement on Jaguar’s 25th place and 41.7 claims for every 100 cars in last year’s survey, but it is still not an impressive showing.
Only seven other makes experienced more claims and, with average repair costs of £451, only four others were more expensive to put right.
More than half of the claims made by Jaguar owners were related to suspension and axle failings, but problems occurred on all components from electrical and heating and ventilation systems to engines and transmissions.
Individual models appear low-down on the overall table, with the S-type sitting in 65th place and the XJ8 in 66th. The XK8 sits ninth from the bottom at 92nd.
Verdict: ** A very poor performance from a quality brand – there’s a lot of work to do.
Evening Standard:
Popular Land Rover and Jaguar models are among the least reliable vehicles in a survey of more than 84,000 cars featured in Which? Car magazine today.
Jaguar's S-type and XF as well as Land Rover's Freelander and Discovery were relegated to positions towards the bottom of the most reliable list compiled by the magazine.
The least reliable model of all was the Audi A5 with a score of 75.8% while the most reliable, on 98.5%, was the Honda Accord.
Which? Car, which looked at vehicles up to eight years old, said owners reported problems with the electronics of the Audi A5.
In contrast, Japanese models dominated the most reliable top 10, with the Honda Jazz (2008 to the present) second, the Honda Jazz (2002-2008) sixth and the Honda Civic Hybrid (2006 to the present) seventh.
The overall reliability score was based on the number of breakdowns, faults and niggles reported by owners.
Which? Car editor Richard Headland said: "Owning a reliable car can make the difference between getting your summer holiday off to a flying start and sitting on the hard shoulder of the M6. You can't do better than the Honda Accord, which is one of the most reliable cars we've ever surveyed.
"Japanese cars in the main seem to run like clockwork, although there are a few exceptions to the rule. It's also encouraging to see good reliability scores for the best-selling Ford Fiesta and other small, economical cars."
These were the 10 most reliable cars:
Car score
1. Honda Accord (2008-present) 98.5%
2. Honda Jazz (2008-present) 98.2%
3. Daihatsu Sirion (2005-present) 97.5%
4. Hyundai i30 (2007-present) 96.8%
5. Ford Fiesta (2008-present) 96.2%
6. Honda Jazz (2002-2008) 95.9%
7. Honda Civic Hybrid (2006-present) 95.7%
8. Citroen C1 (2005-present) 95.7%
9. Toyota Prius (2004-present) 95.0%
10. Mazda 3 (2004-2008) 94.4%
These were the least reliable cars:
112. Hyundai Santa Fe (2006-present) 82.2%
113. Jaguar S-type (1999-2007) 81.2%
114. Volvo XC90 (2002-present) 80.6%
115. Land Rover Freelander (2006-present) 80.1%
116. Ford S-Max (2006-present) 79.9%
117. Land Rover Discovery (2004-present) 79.5%
118. Alfa Romeo 159 (2006-present) 79.0%
119. Jaguar XF (2008-present) 78.0%
120. Ford Galaxy (2006-present) 76.3%
121. Audi A5 (2007-present) 75.8%
Over to you...
I'm not defending JLR in those results, but it's worth pointing out the flaw in any user reliability table - the expectations of the user. The average i30 or Honda Jazz owner is unlikely to be have the highest standards in what they expect from a car. Less likely to pick up any little knock or rattle if you only do 400 miles a year to the post office on a Thursday than someone coming from a premium German brand doing 40k miles a year selling grommets round the country.
To what degree are these stats influenced by the (ineptitude of the) dealers? I mean, if they take two goes at fixing one problem, suddenly that's two "counts", non? Given how ball-breakingly bad some dealers can be (and how good the Honda, Hyundai dealers are so often reported to be), is it any surprise that things seem a mixed-up?
Our local Jag dealer refuse to acknowledge a suspension fault as they "can't fault it" whenever they attempt to diagnose it despite it occurring nearly every time the car is driven. It isn't the car's fault as such, just the s
tty main dealer and their non existent customer service. The way a dealer handles problems is very important and I am sure it makes an impact in these surveys.
I wouldn't buy a Honda over a Jag just because they were more reliable.
tty main dealer and their non existent customer service. The way a dealer handles problems is very important and I am sure it makes an impact in these surveys.I wouldn't buy a Honda over a Jag just because they were more reliable.
S type are down because of the early pre facelift cars. I had 2 a 54 & a 56 plater both diesels. The first had a heater valve done under warranty & the second a window switch again under warranty. Otherwise it was straight servicing & a million times better than some of my sheep friends with german stuff.
Jaguar have just come top in JD Power you realise, above Lexus & Honda.
Jaguar have just come top in JD Power you realise, above Lexus & Honda.
No idea about the modern Jags, but we've had:
3.6 auto XJ40
3.6 manual XJ40
2.9 auto XJ40
6.0 V12 XJ12 (XJ81)
5.3 XJ-S
4.0 auto X300
And maybe another that I can't think of at the mo.
The 2.9 blue a water hose. Also needed a replacement BCU for the indicator.
The XJ12 had a starting issue that Jag failed to sort but the RAC man fixed in 5 mins. Was a fault relay. Also the self levelling suspension played up a bit, but nothing major.
XJ-S was a £700 bargain. Had g/box rebuild, new AC compressor and a temp sensor. Oh and it blew a few water hoses too (all easily repaired for a pittance)
All in all our experience with them was rather positive. Nothing clonked or stopped working completely, nothing fell off and nothing actually really broke.
3.6 auto XJ40
3.6 manual XJ40
2.9 auto XJ40
6.0 V12 XJ12 (XJ81)
5.3 XJ-S
4.0 auto X300
And maybe another that I can't think of at the mo.
The 2.9 blue a water hose. Also needed a replacement BCU for the indicator.
The XJ12 had a starting issue that Jag failed to sort but the RAC man fixed in 5 mins. Was a fault relay. Also the self levelling suspension played up a bit, but nothing major.
XJ-S was a £700 bargain. Had g/box rebuild, new AC compressor and a temp sensor. Oh and it blew a few water hoses too (all easily repaired for a pittance)
All in all our experience with them was rather positive. Nothing clonked or stopped working completely, nothing fell off and nothing actually really broke.
billywhizzzzzz said:
What Car:
Jaguar
• League position: 23rd
• Claims per 100 vehicles: 37.9
• Average age (years): 4.39
• Average mileage: 45,828
• Average repair cost: £451
• Average time for repair (hours): 2.4
Over to you...
As a brand, Jaguar finished a lowly 27th out of 36 in this year's survey, but the XF takes fifth place in the executive car category, and also finished second overall in our 2012 JD Power Customer Satisfaction Survey.Jaguar
• League position: 23rd
• Claims per 100 vehicles: 37.9
• Average age (years): 4.39
• Average mileage: 45,828
• Average repair cost: £451
• Average time for repair (hours): 2.4
Over to you...
Top 10 most reliable executive cars (by Reliability Index rating)
1 Mercedes-Benz E-Class ('06-'09) 22
2 Lexus IS ('05-) 52
3 Lexus GS ('05-'12) 57
4 Lexus IS ('99-'05) 63
5 Jaguar XF ('07-) 65
6 Volvo S80 ('06-) 76
7 Volvo V70 ('07-) 91
8 Lexus GS ('97-'05) 105
9 Volvo S60 ('00-'09) 122
10 BMW 3 Series ('07-'12) 130
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/what-car-reliabili...
So better than BMW.
billywhizzzzzz said:
Over to you...
What year are you quoting from?According to What Car? for 2012 Jaguar are number 1 manufacturer beating Lexus:
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/jd-power-survey-20...
billywhizzzzzz said:
I've rather upset a few people on here - 'Monthefish' mainly - by daring to suggest that Jaguar were other then a paragon of reliability and exemplary build quality from the mid 70's to the present day. I've never owned - or had the slightest desire to own - a Jag, so of course i'm basing by comments on prejudice, gut instinct, and of course the many reliability surveys carried out year on year. So, in the interest of broadening my mind - please prove me wrong.
To be honest, I can't be arsed , I've more important/interesting things to do than try and persuade a possible troll on an internet forum to change his self-admitted prejudiced opinions. I don't expect anything would 'prove' you wrong to your satisfaction.But in Jaguar's defence I've owned a series of XJs for over 22 years now. About 8 in total, of various ages and models. The current one being a 2007 that I've now had for a couple of years.
I suppose the fact I've continued to buy them would indicate that my experience has been largely positive. I've never been stranded by one, they've always been a fabulous car to own and drive and the newer the car he better the overall reliabilty and experience.
Maybe the issue with your quoted survey is that the S and XF cars are maybe being bought by people who think they're going to get XJ levels of refinement for Ford money?
I can remember reading someone's whinge on PH about their XF. It was a list of about 10 things that they'd had the car to the dealer about. I read the list and to me only possibly one of the items was actually something that a normal person would take a car back to a dealer about. The rest were things like 'the brakes sometimes squeal'.
I advised them to sell the car as I expected that their dealer would appreciate it. I would suggest you never buy a Jag either as it appears you'd only spend you time finding fault. Go buy whatever margue you like and enjoy it.
If you look at reliability index data (from warranty claims - google it) and other reliability stats - not customer perceptions, not customer expectations, not anecdotes - and look at this data over a ten year period, it pretty much backs up what the OP has said.
Yes, I drive a Honda (I need reliability for work), but over the 30 or so years I've been driving have pretty much had, Audis, VW, Porches, Volvo, a few JLR products, Nissans, a couple of Alfas... and my experience is pretty much in line with the data. The exception being the Alfas...which I never had any faults with.... :-)
Yes, I drive a Honda (I need reliability for work), but over the 30 or so years I've been driving have pretty much had, Audis, VW, Porches, Volvo, a few JLR products, Nissans, a couple of Alfas... and my experience is pretty much in line with the data. The exception being the Alfas...which I never had any faults with.... :-)
OK, so with this thread you're implying that reliability is the only factor to consider when choosing a car. After all, you find no other criticism for Jaguar products.
You then provide evidence for the problems with Jaguar products, placing a number of brands such as Audi, Land Rover, Volvo and BMW with worse performing products. What do those brands have in common?
Yes, you're in ownership of at least one example of a product of each!
So therefore, would buying a Jaguar not actually improve your life? You'd have a better car, reliability is the ONLY factor, according to you.
But really, we all know that the 'What Car?' reliability survey is the only criteria for choosing a car, so why haven't you sold all of them already for a Honda Accord? It gained the highest mark.....
You then provide evidence for the problems with Jaguar products, placing a number of brands such as Audi, Land Rover, Volvo and BMW with worse performing products. What do those brands have in common?
Yes, you're in ownership of at least one example of a product of each!
So therefore, would buying a Jaguar not actually improve your life? You'd have a better car, reliability is the ONLY factor, according to you.
But really, we all know that the 'What Car?' reliability survey is the only criteria for choosing a car, so why haven't you sold all of them already for a Honda Accord? It gained the highest mark.....
JREwing said:
OK, so with this thread you're implying that reliability is the only factor to consider when choosing a car. After all, you find no other criticism for Jaguar products.
You then provide evidence for the problems with Jaguar products, placing a number of brands such as Audi, Land Rover, Volvo and BMW with worse performing products. What do those brands have in common?
Yes, you're in ownership of at least one example of a product of each!
So therefore, would buying a Jaguar not actually improve your life? You'd have a better car, reliability is the ONLY factor, according to you.
But really, we all know that the 'What Car?' reliability survey is the only criteria for choosing a car, so why haven't you sold all of them already for a Honda Accord? It gained the highest mark.....
I did. But then I've got other stuff in my life to excite me. :-)You then provide evidence for the problems with Jaguar products, placing a number of brands such as Audi, Land Rover, Volvo and BMW with worse performing products. What do those brands have in common?
Yes, you're in ownership of at least one example of a product of each!
So therefore, would buying a Jaguar not actually improve your life? You'd have a better car, reliability is the ONLY factor, according to you.
But really, we all know that the 'What Car?' reliability survey is the only criteria for choosing a car, so why haven't you sold all of them already for a Honda Accord? It gained the highest mark.....
Bohemianesque said:
If you look at reliability index data (from warranty claims - google it) and other reliability stats - not customer perceptions, not customer expectations, not anecdotes - and look at this data over a ten year period, it pretty much backs up what the OP has said.
Yes, I drive a Honda (I need reliability for work), but over the 30 or so years I've been driving have pretty much had, Audis, VW, Porches, Volvo, a few JLR products, Nissans, a couple of Alfas... and my experience is pretty much in line with the data. The exception being the Alfas...which I never had any faults with.... :-)
Exactly... and JD Power is a satisfaction survey, not based on empirical data about reliability.Yes, I drive a Honda (I need reliability for work), but over the 30 or so years I've been driving have pretty much had, Audis, VW, Porches, Volvo, a few JLR products, Nissans, a couple of Alfas... and my experience is pretty much in line with the data. The exception being the Alfas...which I never had any faults with.... :-)
The point of this is not to suggest that we should necessarily buy one car over the other because it is more reliable (god forbid that we all drive Honda Jazz, and in any case I have a 220 mile LR Defender - I know about unreliability, let me tell you) - but to ask to be pointed to empirical data from the each of the following decades: 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s showing that Jaguars are reliable and well built. I'm not interested here in customer satisfaction surveys...
I can't give you massively statistical data, but I can give you the faults (ie non wear-and-tear) on my Jags over the years.
XJ-S (v12), 21 years; Two oil coolers on my first one. One rear hub assembly. One power steering hose. One battery. One cracked plastic clip in the cruise control vacuum line.
Mark 9, 17 years; One leaky power steering box. 3 batteries. Water in left fuel tank due to previous owners lack of care.
XJ6 (x300 3.2), 4 years; One rear hub assembly.
All were expected to get me to work at the drop of a hat.
So, 42 combined years of Jaguar ownership. That works out at one fault every 3.5 years; some of which could hardly be placed at Jaguars door.
XJ-S (v12), 21 years; Two oil coolers on my first one. One rear hub assembly. One power steering hose. One battery. One cracked plastic clip in the cruise control vacuum line.
Mark 9, 17 years; One leaky power steering box. 3 batteries. Water in left fuel tank due to previous owners lack of care.
XJ6 (x300 3.2), 4 years; One rear hub assembly.
All were expected to get me to work at the drop of a hat.
So, 42 combined years of Jaguar ownership. That works out at one fault every 3.5 years; some of which could hardly be placed at Jaguars door.
I dont know which year's results the ones printed by the OP are from, but I've googled the What car results for 2012 and Jaguar finished in =27th place. Where were Audi? 26th -BMW? 25th, Mercedes--? 29th! wow...seems all the luxury car brands have some work to do, not just Jaguar...
So why pick on Jag. Jags results are being largely held back by the inclusion of their older cars which we know had problems in the early years...the early S types were pretty poor, but eventually they ironed them out.
The top 10 executive car ratings are:
Top 10 most reliable executive cars (by Reliability Index rating)
1 Mercedes-Benz E-Class ('06-'09) 22
2 Lexus IS ('05-) 52
3 Lexus GS ('05-'12) 57
4 Lexus IS ('99-'05) 63
5 Jaguar XF ('07-) 65
6 Volvo S80 ('06-) 76
7 Volvo V70 ('07-) 91
8 Lexus GS ('97-'05) 105
9 Volvo S60 ('00-'09) 122
10 BMW 3 Series ('07-'12) 130
So, Jaguar XF finishes above ALL the BMWs and Audis...where is the 5 series I wonder???
Yes, the Jaguar XF has had some problems, but Jag is no worse than Audi, Merc or BMW...
I can back that up with experience. In 2002 my father in law bought a 2.5 SE X type and I bought an Audi A3 TDI. Both were new. His car NEVER went back to the garage for a warranty claim. Mine went back FOUR times to have various bits replaced including the dual mass flywheel....
I just dont know why people have to always pick on the home brands when the german ones are often no better. I for one am pleased to see Jaguar's progress in recent years. The new XF estate looks superb and I for one would choose it over an Audi A6 or 5 series any day. Its fair enough to highlight issues where they exist, but no-one ever points the finger at so called german reliability do they??!! Have some patriotism!!!
So why pick on Jag. Jags results are being largely held back by the inclusion of their older cars which we know had problems in the early years...the early S types were pretty poor, but eventually they ironed them out.
The top 10 executive car ratings are:
Top 10 most reliable executive cars (by Reliability Index rating)
1 Mercedes-Benz E-Class ('06-'09) 22
2 Lexus IS ('05-) 52
3 Lexus GS ('05-'12) 57
4 Lexus IS ('99-'05) 63
5 Jaguar XF ('07-) 65
6 Volvo S80 ('06-) 76
7 Volvo V70 ('07-) 91
8 Lexus GS ('97-'05) 105
9 Volvo S60 ('00-'09) 122
10 BMW 3 Series ('07-'12) 130
So, Jaguar XF finishes above ALL the BMWs and Audis...where is the 5 series I wonder???
Yes, the Jaguar XF has had some problems, but Jag is no worse than Audi, Merc or BMW...
I can back that up with experience. In 2002 my father in law bought a 2.5 SE X type and I bought an Audi A3 TDI. Both were new. His car NEVER went back to the garage for a warranty claim. Mine went back FOUR times to have various bits replaced including the dual mass flywheel....
I just dont know why people have to always pick on the home brands when the german ones are often no better. I for one am pleased to see Jaguar's progress in recent years. The new XF estate looks superb and I for one would choose it over an Audi A6 or 5 series any day. Its fair enough to highlight issues where they exist, but no-one ever points the finger at so called german reliability do they??!! Have some patriotism!!!
Edited by Bezza1969 on Saturday 18th August 08:30
Our 59 plate XF has been shocking - 1st year almost trouble free, 2nd year a few faults started to emerge, 3rd year visits to the dealer almost every other week. It's been so bad we have terminated the lease early and in 2 weeks time it gets handed back. First and last Jaguar for us I'm afraid (although on a bumpy A/B road it can cover the ground faster than anything else I've ever owned as it remains so composed, so it won't be completely forgotten).
As a family, we have had Jaguars since the days of Swallow Sidecars. So about 80 years of owning Jags.
By far the worst period was the end of Leyland and into Ford ownership and it was a result of modern and complex electrics done on the cheap.
Like all cars they have always lasted better and been much more reliable in the hands of the mechanically sympathetic and competent. They were always cara that if you looked after it, it looked after you.
In the whole of my childhood through an almost ridiculous number of Jags and Daimlers I only recall two incidents of cars breaking down. On both occasions it was a turd brown XJ12.
The first was a very high speed blow out on the old Winchester bypass. As kids in the back it was all very exciting to be held in a sudden drift down the road with smoke billowing out the back. And the second was in a torrential thunderstorm when water got into the dizzie and I recal my father cutting up a UHT milk carton by the side of the road to fit as a shield before heading on our way.
I've had a couple over the years and the last one I had was an XKR. I don't recall ever having any problems with it.
But intereatingly, I've never had any real issues with any of the TVRs I've owned so I do wonder if much of the legacy of problem Jags stems from the classic British problem of British automotive electrics simply not being suitable for the British climate. My cars have always been garaged and I've never had issues. I wonder if the most problematic ones are the ones which both live outside and are also owned by the mechanically unsympathetic.
With regards to the latest series I have no direct experience other than which makes of cars I see stopped on the motorways and A roads around North London.
I don't recall seeing any Jags. Wierdly and sadly though, the most common car to see stationary at the bottoms of the M1 heading back into London is a Range Rover. Always seems to be a Sport or Freelander waiting.
But, I wonder if that is because the average London car lives outside and is heavily used and abused by people who have no sympathy for cars as a whole?
So, to bring my ramblings to a summation; I would say that the latest Jags are a step change improvement but they are a much smaller builder than BMW etc so you can never hope to match the situation of the massive global builders. The 80s into the 90s were where Jaguar cemented their reputation for unreliability.
But the current range of cars are just lovely. So much more pleasant to sit inside than any of their competitors that I'd be happy to trade a bit of Honda's or BMW's reliability.
By far the worst period was the end of Leyland and into Ford ownership and it was a result of modern and complex electrics done on the cheap.
Like all cars they have always lasted better and been much more reliable in the hands of the mechanically sympathetic and competent. They were always cara that if you looked after it, it looked after you.
In the whole of my childhood through an almost ridiculous number of Jags and Daimlers I only recall two incidents of cars breaking down. On both occasions it was a turd brown XJ12.
The first was a very high speed blow out on the old Winchester bypass. As kids in the back it was all very exciting to be held in a sudden drift down the road with smoke billowing out the back. And the second was in a torrential thunderstorm when water got into the dizzie and I recal my father cutting up a UHT milk carton by the side of the road to fit as a shield before heading on our way.
I've had a couple over the years and the last one I had was an XKR. I don't recall ever having any problems with it.
But intereatingly, I've never had any real issues with any of the TVRs I've owned so I do wonder if much of the legacy of problem Jags stems from the classic British problem of British automotive electrics simply not being suitable for the British climate. My cars have always been garaged and I've never had issues. I wonder if the most problematic ones are the ones which both live outside and are also owned by the mechanically unsympathetic.
With regards to the latest series I have no direct experience other than which makes of cars I see stopped on the motorways and A roads around North London.
I don't recall seeing any Jags. Wierdly and sadly though, the most common car to see stationary at the bottoms of the M1 heading back into London is a Range Rover. Always seems to be a Sport or Freelander waiting.
But, I wonder if that is because the average London car lives outside and is heavily used and abused by people who have no sympathy for cars as a whole?
So, to bring my ramblings to a summation; I would say that the latest Jags are a step change improvement but they are a much smaller builder than BMW etc so you can never hope to match the situation of the massive global builders. The 80s into the 90s were where Jaguar cemented their reputation for unreliability.
But the current range of cars are just lovely. So much more pleasant to sit inside than any of their competitors that I'd be happy to trade a bit of Honda's or BMW's reliability.
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